Tesla has received 325,000 preorders for the Model 3

[doctorjj]

BS .. why don't you quit side tracking and back up your earlier claims?

I did with actual scientific data. It showed multiple temperature swings as great or greater than the current one since the industrial period with as great or greater rates of increase. It looked completely opposite of the cartoon you posted.

Again, you make the claim, you have to prove it. That's how it works.

 

[dennishoddy]

The sun and its flares/issues controls our solar heating. Get over it. All the "data" has words like "speculate", "think", "possibly" "probably", and all the buzz words of the left eco terrorists.
Control the minds of the electorate with dirty air, dirty water, and environmental disasters, they own us.
Computer models are only speculation of any climate change. The climate changes every day. The sun and nature controls this. You can't take the US in western Ok that's in drought and say that's a model for the world because they have been in a drought. This year, they have exceeded their normal waterfall. Everything is green. DAMM! we got climate change!
CO2, (carbon) the great demon is required by plants to provide oxygen. Simple science learned in grade school.
If there is too much, will the planet not absorb it with more plants?
The idiot left says that sequestered carbon is locked into tree trunks. So they say if we stop logging, the carbon in our atmosphere will be reduced. What are we to build our houses out of? Plastic? That involves oil and drilling, maybe fracking. Big NONO to the left.
So what do we do?
The answer is to look at the rich that promote eco economy. Al Gore, Hillary, Ostupid for starters.
They fly all over the country in jets that put out massive carbon to give speeches promoting carbon confinement and the comment that climate change is the greatest issue in our lives way above terrorism, meanwhile flying all over the country in fuel hungry jets.
Ever looked at the carbon footprint that is required to put one wind generator on the ground and make it operable? It will never recover the initial investment in its life time without government subsidies.
Climate change or global warming is nothing but a means for the left to control the masses.
I refuse to be controlled.

 

[doctorjj]

The sun and its flares/issues controls our solar heating. Get over it. All the "data" has words like "speculate", "think", "possibly" "probably", and all the buzz words of the left eco terrorists.
Control the minds of the electorate with dirty air, dirty water, and environmental disasters, they own us.
Computer models are only speculation of any climate change. The climate changes every day. The sun and nature controls this. You can't take the US in western Ok that's in drought and say that's a model for the world because they have been in a drought. This year, they have exceeded their normal waterfall. Everything is green. DAMM! we got climate change!

I agree. Posting propaganda cartoons helps no one.

 

[dennishoddy]

I've edited my post considerably. I had some after thoughts.

 

[_CY_]

I did with actual scientific data. It showed multiple temperature swings as great or greater than the current one since the industrial period with as great or greater rates of increase. It looked completely opposite of the cartoon you posted.

Again, you make the claim, you have to prove it. That's how it works.

BS .. I made no claims except that no one know for sure what happen say 20k years ago. so what you posted data that's disputed .. pretty sure that NO one knows if it's correct or not .. so you proved nothing

quit side tracking and back up your claim .. if you can, which I don't think you can .. so you keep on side tracking

 

[doctorjj]

BS .. I made no claims except that no one know for sure what happen say 20k years ago. so what you posted data that's disputed .. pretty sure that NO one knows if it's correct or not .. so you proved nothing

quit side tracking and back up your claim .. if you can, which I don't think you can .. so you keep on side tracking

Maybe you need to go back and read this thread. Someone asked about what happened before the instrumental record and you posted a cartoon/propaganda as if it were an answer to his question. You are the one who answered the question about what happened 20k years ago! So yeah, you did make an unsubstantiated claim. A very extraordinary claim in fact.

 

[DavidMcmillan]

We're in Branson this weekend, and drove past one of the hotels advertising "senior discounts" and "Tesla charging stations available". I'm sure there is a connection there somewhere!

 

[_CY_]

screw computer models .. look at what's happening on the ground. anyone that's outside all the time like you doesn't need anyone to tell you that we have been getting extremes in weather. like you already pointed out, look at the drought conditions that the mid-west just come out of. now we are getting record breaking hot months.

there's not really much debate that the earth is warming up .. on top of glaciers melting adding to ocean mass .. what really affects sea levels is water expansion due to rise in temps. just a fraction of a degree would have a HUGE impact on volume, which of course effects sea levels. with many communities built at or below sea levels, small changes in sea level could have a huge impact .. like we are seeing with more to come.

again ... what's really scary is the HUGE frozen methane deposits that could be released into the atmosphere. methane is one of the worst gases in terms of green house effect .. 72x worst than CO2 and most refrigerants used in HVAC. to put things in perspective CO2 currently makes up 82% of total emissions .. methane is 9% but way more potent. HFC makes up about 2% and is highly debated as to how much harm it does vs the economics of constantly forced changes by EPA. naturally the equipment mfg LOVE change so they get to sell more new AC equipment.

with all the emissions put out by man kind .. IMHO there is NO way those emissions have no effect globally ... now how much effect is a topic of debate all to itself. that's why I stated earlier that no one really knows if climate change is man made or not. there's really not much debate that the earth is getting warmer.

Basically none of what you just said is true.

Maybe you need to go back and read this thread. Someone asked about what happened before the instrumental record and you posted a cartoon/propaganda as if it were an answer to his question. You are the one who answered the question about what happened 20k years ago! So yeah, you did make an unsubstantiated claim. A very extraordinary claim in fact.

perhaps it's you that should go back and reread this thread ... it's you that said "none of what you said is true"
sooo you should have no problems backing it up .. so far all I've seen is side tracking with nothing that backs up what you claim.

 

[_CY_]

Tesla Wins Massive Contract to Help Power the California Grid
It's the latest response to a fossil-fuel disaster.

September 15, 2016

Tesla just won a bid to supply grid-scale power in Southern California to help prevent electricity shortages following the biggest natural gas leak in U.S. history. The Powerpacks, worth tens of millions of dollars, will be operational in record time—by the end of this year.

Tesla Motors Inc. will supply 20 megawatts (80 megawatt-hours) of energy storage to Southern California Edison as part of a wider effort to prevent blackouts by replacing fossil-fuel electricity generation with lithium-ion batteries. Tesla's contribution is enough to power about 2,500 homes for a full day, the company said in a blog post on Thursday. But the real significance of the deal is the speed with which lithium-ion battery packs are being deployed.

"The storage is being procured in a record time frame," months instead of years, said Yayoi Sekine, a battery analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance. "It highlights the maturity of advanced technologies like energy storage to be contracted as a reliable resource in an emergency situation."

Here's a chart showing the acceleration of energy-storage deployment as batteries gain popularity.

Bloomberg New Energy Finance
The deal fits into Tesla Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk's long-term vision of transforming Tesla from an an electric car company to a clean-energy company. That's the same motivation behind his pending deal to acquire SolarCity Corp., the rooftop solar company founded by his cousins, of which he is also chairman and the largest shareholder.

In total megawatt hours, the Tesla batteries will make up the biggest lithium-ion battery project in the world, though it will soon be surpassed by others under contract, according to data compiled by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.1 A Tesla spokeswoman declined to comment on the value of the 20 megawatt deal. According to Tesla's website, a 2-megawatt Tesla battery system costs about $2.9 million, and any contracts greater than 2.5 megawatts must be negotiated directly with the company.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-battery-storage-after-porter-ranch-gas-leak

 

[_CY_]

post below is from my LiFePO4 battery thread on Advrider. . it's still the world's largest database for li-ion motorcycle batteries. have not supported it much for over a year and it still comes up as one of the first unpaid results on Google for: LiFePO4 motorcycle batteries.

below flow battery technology has the potential for disrupting mass battery storage economics.

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good to see my old thread is still alive and well!!!

here's an interesting technology that's decades old but finding new life due it's ability to scale/low costs and of course needs from the demand side from ever growing solar/wind installations.

what's different are discoveries using organic compounds found in rubarb and waste oils. this type battery cannot catch fire and would be safe and clean.

if the latest version replacing toxic bromine with harmless ferrocyanide is successful. costs could reach $100 per kilowatt hour, which could be low enough to disrupt economics for energy storage.


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