No. I think it is because I do not believe that everything ever done by "Christian" entities or individuals or people groups is correct. If I did, then I would deserve almost unlimited scorn and ridicule. I think that reveals part of the problem here. Evil things have been done by nominal Christians but I do not take this as a refutation of the validity of the truths of Christianity.
No. I think it is because I do not believe that everything ever done by "Christian" entities or individuals or people groups is correct. If I did, then I would deserve almost unlimited scorn and ridicule. I think that reveals part of the problem here. Evil things have been done by nominal Christians but I do not take this as a refutation of the validity of the truths of Christianity.
Well said. If one expresses their point of view, the atheists feel that they are being attacked and use that to voice their intolerance. Will say that I typically dont care about the number of the atheists since five times zero is still zero.
By allowing the 10 commandments on government property, we are allowing the church in the government, by forcing citizens to visit these institutions, religion is being forced on them. By allowing churches to influence elections, we are allowing the churches in government. There is no place in our government for religion.
People of faith are trolling threads to inject their beliefs....hell, they will even troll your doorstep to inject their faith in your life. I don't see too many atheists doing the door to door trolling thing.
A quarter of the way bigot?
Christians are such martyrs. When their views are not agreed upon by all, they are being attacked. Seems that I once heard a man say something about two things that you shouldn't discuss with friends, and I'm pretty sure that religion was one of those two things.
Again I would ask if you're including me regarding atheist in your statement earlier since it came after a couple of my post.
He is an underachiever.
If a liberal gun owner said they wanted a similar forum, they'd be laughed out of here, don't you think? Try expressing a socially or economically liberal viewpoint here in GD. You will get tag-teamed by way more than 5 posters.
Do we need a liberal forum? Nope. I say not. Ain't nobody asked for one. Take your lumps, defend your position, or stop talking politics.
Okie4570 and Okhunter seem to do fine for themselves. Good guys.
The you have exiled on puppy street and the like.
This forum is predominantly Christian. It's been polled. The majority of those Christians, almost all, aren't all that vocal about their faith. The remainder percentage is split 50/50...half nice, reasonable guys that don't get offended easily when they enter these discussions and whose faith is actually strong enough they aren't made insecure by words next to a tiny jpeg...and the other half. The half who gets sad, or mad.
GMT made a valid point. Athiests don't harass prayer threads or valid Chtistian threads. Athiests enter sociopolitical discussions involving religion. Another board I'm a member of has a Christian forum. I don't post there. I might add to the "favor bible verses" thread, because I've read it several times and have many, but I won't enter it to argue or troll. If we get one here I would treat it the same. GD? Sociopolitical issues folks insert religion into? That's another matter.
The persecuted Christian act gets old, tho, especially from a majority population. Especially from people who get upset when blacks, liberals, gays, Muslims, etc throw the "sensitive & offended" card.
Here's the real solution. Voluntary exclusion, not involuntary segregation. No one is involuntarily excluded from a thread and the forum is not segregated by religion. If no one wants their beliefs challenged they don't go there.
The IRS(which we all know can be trusted) decides which churches earn or lose their tax exempt status so some would say Gov. is already involved in churches.
"Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish. Barry, I know you've seen this because you report a lot of churches to the IRS for alleged violations, but the IRS only acts on a minuscule portion of your complaints. What standard does it use? Who knows why it chooses to go after some churches and not others? When does a pastor's sermon somehow cross the line?"
"Conditioning tax exemption for churches on refraining from speaking about certain things is just as dangerous as taxing churches outright. Those conditions break down the healthy "wall of separation between state and church" articulated by Thomas Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. The conditions allow the state, through its discretion and power, to punish disfavored views and to reward favored ones. The free exercise of religion cannot survive in such conditions. The camel has had its nose under the flaps of the church tent for far too long."
http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html
"Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish. Barry, I know you've seen this because you report a lot of churches to the IRS for alleged violations, but the IRS only acts on a minuscule portion of your complaints. What standard does it use? Who knows why it chooses to go after some churches and not others? When does a pastor's sermon somehow cross the line?"
"Conditioning tax exemption for churches on refraining from speaking about certain things is just as dangerous as taxing churches outright. Those conditions break down the healthy "wall of separation between state and church" articulated by Thomas Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. The conditions allow the state, through its discretion and power, to punish disfavored views and to reward favored ones. The free exercise of religion cannot survive in such conditions. The camel has had its nose under the flaps of the church tent for far too long."
http://www.latimes.com/la-oew-lynn-stanley23-2008sep23-story.html
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