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bigbang

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Hahahaha. What is your puny rifle going to do against tanks and apache helicopters?


/devils advocate

I hear you but that's not a reason to ban AR's, right? My argument is intended for the reason why we have the right to keep and bear our AR's, mags and stuff. If you let people stray your conversation to other arguments like you can't defeat tanks or why do you have to have a 30 round magazine, then you will get nowhere. All we need to do is leave it at our right to have them, which I have pointed out earlier.
 

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So sick of the "Founders didn't envision assault rifles", "Don't need 30 rounds to hunt", "You can't stand up to tanks and airstrikes with any rifle", "The founders are just like politicians today so who cares about their views on anything", "Times have changed and the constitution is outdated".

When the Constitution was written, private citizens could own F***ing warships and cannons. The average citizen had acces to the same, if not better, weapons than the military had. The Founding Fathers knew this(since some of them owned private armies) and I interpret the 2A based on this fact.
 

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I asked them if they ever felt like our country or even state could go through a period of civil unrest. They replied yes. I asked if they wanted to be prepared to defend themselves or if they want to sit in the closet hoping nobody broke in. I was surprised they saw my point.

Very good reasoning. If they don't like it then add don't come knocking when the **** hits the fan. Maybe then they will stop and reconsider thier views.
 

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I consider myself a good steward of the constitution, given that I haven't fought for our country in any wars or anything the least I could do is fight off the libtards to preserve our rights.
 

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"Founders didn't envision assault rifles"

When they wrote the first amendment covering free speech did they know the internet would exist? TV? Radio? I doubt it very highly. Now you can only say what you want via your mouth or a handwritten letter. If you truly believe what you just said then what I just said MUST be true as well. That's my response to the quoted statement above. Following their same logic it doesn't make sense.

"Founders didn't envision assault rifles", "Don't need 30 rounds to hunt"

Who the f%&$ said anything about hunting? The 2nd amendment doesn't mention hunting...anywhere. It mentions organized militias. These are weapons for defense which can also be used for hunting. Every gun in the hands of civilians was initially developed for military use, even muzzle loading muskets. Their conversion to civilian use just seemed logical.

These are the counters to the quoted statements. At least they are mine.
 

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I think you can argue it without even mentioning the 2A.

What percentage of gun related violence involves an "assault rifle"?
What effects did the AWB have on gun related violence, DIRECTLY?
What is the violent crime rate, per capita, of countries that have recently implemented gun bans compared to their previous violent crime rate and also compared to the US's current crime rate.

IMHO, while the 2A is the main reason why WE think we have the right, I think its a pretty weak argument. Use statistics, use facts. Hit em where it hurts... scientifically.
 

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I agree that using the constitution is weak because most don't value it or think it remains relevant. I also agree with using statistics because they pretty much tell the whole story.

Still, while speaking to my FIL who I highly respect, he doesn't see the need for anyone to have "military style" AR-15s. He is not in favor of gun control and believes in the constitution but doesn't get why anyone "needs" these rifles. I started with the constitution and moved on statistical evidence. I didn't win him over on the spot but hopefully I gave him something to think about.

He also sees violent video games, violent television programs, violent movies and the internet playing a larger factor with these crazies than guns. I tend to agree. He is otherwise very conservative and it concerns me that people like him are not bothered much by the AWB being a possibility.


We have got to find a way to reach these luke warm gun owners. Give them plausible scenarios under which an AR is invaluable. The best scenario I've got is the Katrina aftermath with roving gangs threatening your family. An AR is the best force multiplier available to us civilians when facing multiple attackers. This is very plausible because it has happened before and will happen again.

Another viable use for 30 rounds is attempting to control feral hogs.

If anyone can think of more uses, please share. IMO the first reason is plenty reason enough to keep ARs available.

They don't listen to the constitutional argument or about a deterrent to a tyrannical govt.
 

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