I don’t assume my stuff is sub moa, I’m not. I don’t really care. It’s all MOGoodEnough. I don’t go into the field with sandbags, rests, etc. as such, I don’t practice that way. My marlin 30/30 is prob not moa. It doesn’t need to be for my use case either. My 7mm-08 model seven is close with my crappy shooting, if I wait between shots. The barrel heats up fast. No idea yet on my 6.5 gren or tikka 17hmr yet, or the 18 in ar I’m building... Id expect them to be really close if I can hold up my end. if I were antelope hunting or precision target shooting.. that would be one thing. I don’t do that though. My point was mission and my skill level dictates what I consider good enough. I judge how far I can shoot based on 4 in groups, the gun, and firing positions.