Zimmerman's lawyers drop him

[twoguns?]

a kid who isn't doing anything wrong .....Who said he wasnt doing anything wrong?
Walk around my neighborhood....somebody will be watching!

 

[ignerntbend]

So far we know he was walking down the street. Hard to prove he wasn't doing anything wrong. Walking down the street can be considered something wrong by definition. When you go out there, look plausible. Make an extra effort. Otherwise you might get shot. That's the world I want to live in.

 

[Glocktogo]

So far we know he was walking down the street. Hard to prove he wasn't doing anything wrong. Walking down the street can be considered something wrong by definition. When you go out there, look plausible. Make an extra effort. Otherwise you might get shot. That's the world I want to live in.

Live in a decent neighborhood surrounded by crime and poverty, one that's frequently targeted for property crimes. Then tell us how you'd feel? It sure is easy to cast pearls down upon others from an ivory tower.

 

[ignerntbend]

That's me. Ivory Tower boy. You know me too well.

 

[Glocktogo]

That's me. Ivory Tower boy. You know me too well.

You do get that the tower is figurative and not literal, right?

 

[briarcreekguy]

Here is a link to a map of the scene.
roll over the dots below the map to see the time line.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...n-martin-timeline-florida-shooting/54129274/1

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Some how during Trayvon's journey from the store to the spot were he was shot... he was in some backyards and side yards cutting between houses. That's what got him noticed by Zimmerman.

Yea.. there is cutting across a lawn... but considering that cutting across my backyard may be an oppourtunity to case my home....

Veracity of witnesses? Expect a bloodbath when the phone call folks hit the stand... if called at all.

This will get ugly.

 

[RidgeHunter]

Live in a decent neighborhood surrounded by crime and poverty, one that's frequently targeted for property crimes. Then tell us how you'd feel?

I'd feel like I should become a real cop if I wanted to act like one.

 

[Glocktogo]

I'd feel like I should become a real cop if I wanted to act like one.

Cops don't do what Zimmerman did. Cops notify the dispatcher of their location and initiate a field contact of the subject.

 

[soonerwings]

Never said he GAVE UP the right to self-defense due to fleeing. I stated SYG does not apply IF one flees first. IT DOESNT NEED TO BE APPLIED.

AGAIN... SYG states you do not have to flee. When someone flees first, then is forced to defend themselves, they are in a much better legal position than what is covered under SYG because they tried to flee first.

One more time....If someone assaults you, you flee, they follow and attack, you defend yourself, SYG does not apply because it does not need to and it does not fit the criteria of the law. SYG only applies when one in fact....STANDS THEIR GROUND at the onset of the attack.

Upon further review, it turns out that stand your ground DOES apply to people that flee before using deadly force, sometimes even if they're the aggressor: Here's a little snippet from Florida law:

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[21]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.-A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.-
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. -The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Turns out that it's not a wishful optimistic interpretation but rather something that's written in black and white.