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Speak out ahead of time, show support for a candidate and push for that.

This.

IIRC, Fallin spent more in the two weeks leading up to the primary than Brogdon raised during the entire campaign, yet Brogdon was able to get nearly 40% of the vote. I talked to 20 or so people in my area (<400 total voters in the GOP primary) shortly after the primary who did not know who Brogdon was and thought he was a field-filler. After being informed of his positions and record, most of those people told me if they had known they would've rather voted for him.

On the national note, look at Ron Paul. His grassroots supporters sure do raise a lot of money and gain a lot of exposure for him. But he'll never have the support of the Republican Party because he is against so many of the evils they are for.

One of these days, I'll get around to changing my registration to where it should be: "I". That "R" in my wallet seems like a conflict of principle to me, and besides, doesn't an "I" look like an "l" to you, too?
 

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Yep - but it's that good old brainwashing we get with the "if you don't vote, you can't complain" B.S. that's been warmed back up every election cycle.

The reason it gets "warmed back up every election cycle" is because it's true. If you don't vote, you don't have any business complaining. If you don't vote you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. If you don't vote you might as well live someplace that doesn't have the right to vote. Pick any one of those statements. They're all true. If you don't participate in the process by at least voting you don't have a right to sit at the adult table when it comes to your democracy.
 

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Then you're willingly handing over the decision to someone else. No matter what face you put on that, it's still a fail. If all you'll ever accept is perfect you're living in the wrong place. You're rarely, if ever, going to get it. Sometimes, maybe even most of the time, the best you're going to get is the lesser of two evils, which is still better than the alternative.

I will follow my conscience. Withholding my vote is as powerful as casting it. It is my way of voicing my displeasure with the candidate who, unlike most people believe... is not our leader... but our elected servant. They serve us. We do not serve them. A vote for the "lesser of two evils" is the mantra of desperate people.

I contributed what little I could to the Paul and Brogden campaigns as I felt those two men would abide by the oaths they would take. When both were knocked out of the race I determined that nobody would get my precious, valuable vote. Why give something of value to men and women who are undeserving? To give away something of value to one unfit to be given such a gift is a waste. So... cast your choice for the "lesser evil" if you do not value your vote. But refrain from telling me I am in the wrong.
 

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The reason it gets "warmed back up every election cycle" is because it's true. If you don't vote, you don't have any business complaining. If you don't vote you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. If you don't vote you might as well live someplace that doesn't have the right to vote. Pick any one of those statements. They're all true. If you don't participate in the process by at least voting you don't have a right to sit at the adult table when it comes to your democracy.

That's pure nonsense. If I'm offered up Charles Manson and Terry Nichols, I have to vote for one of them or I don't get to complain? What a crock. We are basically offered up two puppet scabs, who represent a few petty sets of opposing social issues, and we're made to feel like we'll get a national overhaul every time we have an election if "our side" wins....and people still believe it. The right to vote in orchestrated elections is not freedom. I firmly believe both parties are just two sides of the same coin.

I've never sat an election out, but then I've been fully aware the my vote doesn't count. And I won't naively believe that just casting a vote for whoever gets you "a seat at the adult table". They hold elections in many countries that have dictators; I guess we are free in the respect that we can at least gripe about the poor selection we get to "choose" from.
 

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I firmly believe both parties are just two sides of the same coin.

You can see that with the ballot access bills here. Even the author of the bill to relax Oklahoma ballot access laws, Charles Key, voted to move the deadline up 3 months (which, by the way, moves it to a date that has been determined by federal courts as unconstitutional). In fact, Republicans tout themselves as being for relaxed ballot access laws, and because of their domination in the ballot access movement Democrats get painted as the enemy of ballot access. But based on the House vote on HB1615, I have more faith in Democrats for ballot access reform than Republicans.

As for votes for the executive branch, I try to weigh my vote against the makeup of the legislative branch. The lone exception was the 2010 Gubernatorial election - I voted for Fallin because Askins rubbed me the wrong way too many times.
 

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The reason it gets "warmed back up every election cycle" is because it's true. If you don't vote, you don't have any business complaining. If you don't vote you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

That's such trite, blind patriotic BS. It doesn't even make any sense. It's one of those bland catchphrases people love to yell to make themselves feel superior.

It will be a cold day in hell before I cast my vote for a person that disgusts me just so I can fit in. I don't want to sit at your table anyways.
 

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