Violent arrest of student.

[Eagle Eye]

The question I have for you (which was not answered, BTW) was how do you handle a non-compliant person without using physical force?

good point, but how do you justify that degree of force? The use of force is not black or white. Just because the use of force is justified, does not mean any degree of force is justified. Where is the line for you? Would you say that too much force was used if he had shot or tazed her? good

Was there a need to get the student out of her seat at THAT MOMENT? Could this have been solved after class?

This event was started by the teacher's failure to appropriately handle the classroom. Being a teacher, I know there are several non physical means to disciplining a disruptive student. I think the teacher and principle are lazy, and pushed their jobs onto the deputy. The deputy did not have the appropriate training to deal with this circumstance, and he should never have had to.

 

[blazeitornot]

The question I have for you (which was not answered, BTW) was how do you handle a non-compliant person without using physical force?

Depends on how much you're willing to make cops be babysitters.

 

[otis147]

i don't have the authority to make anybody comply with my will. if they aren't attacking me, my property, my family, or some other innocent person, i have no justification to use violence against that person. and neither does a cop.

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Depends on how much you're willing to make cops be babysitters.

Not to be pedantic, but the cop (RO) is a babysitter. His number one job, the reason he's there, is to keep the kids and teachers safe. He was in the room for seconds, not minutes, before he resorted to physical means. While physical force may have been necessary, it was used way to quickly in this case.

 

[Eagle Eye]

The teacher has the authority and responsibility to make the classroom a learning conducive environment. When a student is acting in a manner that may be distracting to the teacher or other students, the teacher has the authority to stop the disruptive behavior.

here is a bright idea, If a student's cell phone use is disruptive, a teacher could confiscate the phone and have the student pick it up from the principles office. Heck the teacher could even call in the parents and have them pick up the phone from the principles office.

The deputy is there to keep kids and teachers safe. The student was not threatening anyones well being. It was not the deputies job to discipline the student.

I wish the deputy could sue the teacher or school for putting him in this situation.

 

[blazeitornot]

Not to be pedantic, but the cop (RO) is a babysitter. His number one job, the reason he's there, is to keep the kids and teachers safe. He was in the room for seconds, not minutes, before he resorted to physical means. While physical force may have been necessary, it was used way to quickly in this case.

The babysitters job is also to make sure kids are in school. He should have stuck a needle in her neck, tied her to the desk and taped her eyes open.

 

[RidgeHunter]

the girl was recently orphaned, and is living in foster care.

Can't be true. Pro-lifers are lining up by the millions to take unwanted children from low-income parents.

 

[Pokinfun]

The student refused to put up the phone, which means she also refused to surrender the phone. I am a teacher and I would not of allowed her to keep the phone out. If a couple of warnings and a little proximity did not work, I would of moved the student to the hallway, if she refused to go, which she did, I would have called the administrator to remove the student.
I will say this, I use a picnic basket as a cell phone basket. When I have a cellphone issue, I merely put the basket on their desk to have them put it in the basket. The basket then stays on their desk until the end of the hour. The basket removes the me as an authority figure, and the student never has to give me the phone, they still have it, it is just has to stay in the basket. The process seems to work for me. I have had issues in the past with students and will again because sometimes, the problem is the student and has nothing to do with my classroom management.
You are the issue with many teachers, you assume that you know the best, which you do not. I do not know the best either.

Here is bright idea, what you you do if she refused to give you the phone.

The teacher has the authority and responsibility to make the classroom a learning conducive environment. When a student is acting in a manner that may be distracting to the teacher or other students, the teacher has the authority to stop the disruptive behavior.

here is a bright idea, If a student's cell phone use is disruptive, a teacher could confiscate the phone and have the student pick it up from the principles office. Heck the teacher could even call in the parents and have them pick up the phone from the principles office.

The deputy is there to keep kids and teachers safe. The student was not threatening anyones well being. It was not the deputies job to discipline the student.

 

[Eagle Eye]

The student refused to put up the phone, which means she also refused to surrender the phone. I am a teacher and I would not of allowed her to keep the phone out. If a couple of warnings and a little proximity did not work, I would of moved the student to the hallway, if she refused to go, which she did, I would have called the administrator to remove the student.
I will say this, I use a picnic basket as a cell phone basket. When I have a cellphone issue, I merely put the basket on their desk to have them put it in the basket. The basket then stays on their desk until the end of the hour. The basket removes the me as an authority figure, and the student never has to give me the phone, they still have it, it is just has to stay in the basket. The process seems to work for me. I have had issues in the past with students and will again because sometimes, the problem is the student and has nothing to do with my classroom management.
You are the issue with many teachers, you assume that you know the best, which you do not. I do not know the best either.

Here is bright idea, what you you do if she refused to give you the phone.

If the student refuses to give the phone, and continues the disruptive behavior then I would stop class, and everyone would wait for the student to give up the phone or put it away. I would wait all class. If I had to wait all class, I would take the appropriate steps to get the student suspended from school, or at least my class.

BTW reading stuff on your phone is not disruptive to other student in my book. If the student was playing music out loud, that would be disruptive behavior. If this student was only reading (not out loud, and not showing videos to other students) in class, and refused to put the phone away, I would not force the student to give it up. After all it's the students grade and life.
You can only lead a horse to water, you cannot make it drink.

 

[deerwhacker444]

What the ^&*$ does a student need a phone in class for.?

Schools should have a No Phone policy. Phones that make their way into class should immediately be confiscated. These kids are making a laughing stock out of the "adults".