05/15/2022 Another Mass Shooting. This time at a California Church

[joegrizzy]

weeeelllll just since most people probably haven't seen this data, here's some numbers i crunched years ago on this subject:

posted this on reddit years ago; so forgive the formatting; i ain't typing this again:


This post got me banned from several reddits, including askhistorian, which i find really funny since it's literally just stats and that sub is supposedly all about making sure you have links for your posts.

I'll go through [every year I can find](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s), starting with 2003 until today. If reddit is a just and fair platform, my voice will not be censored. These are merely statistics, but they are also people's lives who were lost. Their lives mattered.**

**2003 https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2003/table2-7_race03.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 501
Blacks killed by whites: 226

**2004 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2004 **
Cannot find victim data related to murders, so we'll take average from all years measured.
AVG whites killed by blacks: 494
AVG blacks killed by whites: 207

**2005 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2005 INFO IS EXPANDED HOMICIDE DATA TABLE 5**
Whites killed by blacks: 516
Blacks killed by whites: 230

**2006 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2006 TABLE 5 AGAIN**
Whites killed by blacks: 573
Blacks killed by whites: 208

**2007 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2007 TABLE 5 AGAIN**
Whites killed by blacks: 566
Blacks killed by whites: 245

**2008 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2008 TABLE 6 THIS TIME**
Whites killed by blacks: 504
Blacks killed by whites: 230

**2009 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2009 TABLE 6 THIS TIME**
Whites killed by blacks: 454
Blacks killed by whites: 209

**2010 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 447
Blacks killed by whites: 218

**2011 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6 **
Whites killed by blacks: 448
Blacks killed by whites: 193

**2012 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2012.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 431
Blacks killed by whites: 193

**2013 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 409
Blacks killed by whites: 189

**2014 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 446
Blacks killed by whites: 187

**2015 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2015.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 500
Blacks killed by whites: 229

**2016 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 533
Blacks killed by whites: 243

**2017 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 576
Blacks killed by whites: 264

**2018 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls **
Whites killed by blacks: 514
Blacks killed by whites: 234

**2019 has not been released yet, but I think we can see trend.**


**SINCE 2003**
**TOTAL WHITES KILLED BY BLACKS: 7,912**
**TOTAL BLACKS KILLED BY WHITES: 3,312**

There are many ways to breakdown these numbers, but any way you look at them, they are staggering. What these numbers mean, is that despite white people outnumbering blacks in America by almost 500%, blacks still killed more than twice as many white people as vice versa. THOSE ARE RAW NUMBERS, BLACKS KILL TWICE AS MANY WHITES AS VICE VERSA, DESPITE BEING OUTNUMBERED 5-1 BY WHITES.

NOTE: i posted this in 2019, it would be interesting to see what a few years of BLM rioting did to this figure.

what i'm really asking is: have black people **always** killed whites at a rate of 10x?
if so; are all the stories i've heard about "sundown towns" and "muh KKK" merely propaganda like BLM being "fiery but peaceful protests" and George Floyd being a saint?

i really don't know.
i really don't.

what i do know
is during my life
black people have killed white people
beat white people
raped white people
at a rate over 10x
compared to white doing those things to blacks

you can say it's socioeconomic; but that's a copout. first gen asians and hispanics live in just as much poverty as blacks, live in dense urban environments, and ALSO HAVE A LANGUAGE BARRIER, YET SOMEHOW THEY DON'T COMMIT CRIMES AGAINST WHITES AT AN ALARMING RATE.

has this always been the case?
did black people commit the majority of violent crime in 1900?
in 1920?
in 1960?

has it **always** been this way?



and oh yeah, i got banned for that post LOL

 

[joegrizzy]

he was radicalized by the truth.

 

[TacticalTater]

oh go figure..

all those new radical gun laws and someone still gets killed

that's impossible! they have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation!

how preposterous!!

 

[TacticalTater]

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?

Ya’ll can crucify me if you want, I don’t care. Red Flag laws are a good idea, but workable, expedient and with due process. So far the laws I’ve seen have none of those. Without those they are just more infringements on the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 14th amendments.

I get “shall not be infringed” but when you’ve got individuals threatening school shootings and the like, convicted domestic abusers, etc they should forfeit their right to bear arms.

yeah no. just..no.

go to Australia if you don't feel safe

 

[Raido Free America]

When ANY ISSUE becomes a political tool, all common since flies out the window! Now it's no longer about a solving, or controling the problem, it's only about using the issue, to gain political ground! Now anyone that has an opposing view, is suddenly a NAZI, a COMMUNIST, a FOOL, a CROOK, ETC. and no one is even working on the REAL PROBLEM, but only working on gaining the political advantage! and as with this problem, REAL people are being KILLED, while we bark at each other like cur dogs, that are not smart enough to think for themselves, and the lap dog news media gets RATINGS promoting the left wing view point, right now! I can remember when they promoted the right wing view point, when that is the politically correct thing to do! There are out to serve THEIR BEST INTEREST, NOT OURS! just one example is, the 1923 race riot, or massacre, as the news media now calls it! There were three news papers in Tulsa at that time, each competing for circulation with the other two. Each news paper was making up more,and more SENSATIONAL STORIES about this story, saying anything true, or not, to gain the upper hand with the other papers. they ALL printed stories suggesting this black man should be, or was going to be, LYNCHED! The Tulsa Police, and Country Sherriff, moved this man from the city, to the country jail because it was more secure. because of these inflammatory FAKE NEWS STORIES! A large group of black men, some armed, went to the Country Jail to take this black man out of jail, before he was lynched, A large group of white men, some armed, went to the County Jail to prevent them from taking this black man out of jail by force! GUESS WHAT HAPPENED THEN? Someone fired a shot, 11 white man were KILLED and 3 Black men were KILLED, in this first encounter! The news media still won't mention this part of the story, but it is a matter of public record! You tell me WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TULSA RACE RIOT, MASSACRE, I KNOW IT'S THE EVIL PUBLIC NOT THE NEWS MEDIA! RIGHT? Unless we the people become SMART ENOUGH to stop allowing ANYONE CONTROLLING WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TOP THINK, NO REAL PROBLEMN IS GOING TO BE SOLVED, IT'S ONLY GPOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A SENSATIONAL STORY FOR THE NEWS MEDIA! GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE NOT THE ANSWER, BECAUSE CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW ANY LAWS, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED CRIMINALS, RIGHT?

 

[joegrizzy]

make no mistake: the media LOVES mass shootings

but only certain ones

 

[Raido Free America]

make no mistake: the media LOVES mass shootings

but only certain ones

BOLOGNA! Only the ones that YOU DISAGREE WITH, RIGHT? Watch these professional talking heads when they change networks! They ALL change form right, to left, or left, to right wing, faster than you can say BIG MONEY! EVERY-TIME!!

 

[jakeman]

yeah no. just..no.

go to Australia if you don't feel safe

So you have no problem with convicted domestic abusers and people that threaten to shoot up schools having legal access to firearms? How about convicted felons? Any issues for ya there?

Because either that is your stance or you can’t comprehend what you read. Which is it?

 

[Raido Free America]

So you have no problem with convicted domestic abusers and people that threaten to shoot up schools having legal access to firearms? How about convicted felons? Any issues for ya there?

A good example of why we can't solve or limit this problem. I am NOT FOR GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF GUNS IN OUR COUNTRY EVER!!!!!!! I AM FOR SELF CONTROL!

 

[joegrizzy]

So you have no problem with convicted domestic abusers and people that threaten to shoot up schools having legal access to firearms? How about convicted felons? Any issues for ya there?

Because either that is your stance or you can’t comprehend what you read. Which is it?

it's not about having a problem with it.
it's understand***ING**(OMG SORRY GUYS WHEN YOU TYPE AT 75-80 WPM SOMETIMES YOU MAKE A TYPO OR TWO) that real problems exist, and merely taking all the guns and destroying them ala australia isn't a solution that people are willing to forgo.
so, the **SOLUTION TO THE** (SORRY I HAD SOMETHING ELSE TYPED UP, ERASED, REWROTE AND MADE ANOTHER MISTAKE; OH SORRY MY COMPRESSION IS OUTTA WHACK) problem of people having firearms that shouldn't is having firearms yourself; a strategy used by governments, celebrities, and wealthy people all over the world. if they don't carry guns; they pay people to carry guns and constantly watch them and their kids.

i mean....you're on a gun forum?