Another Gunman Putting the 'AR15' On The Negative Skyline

[farmerbyron]

I disagree.. ONE grown man with a legally concealed gun and/or a bright flashlight could have stopped several murders in the Colorado Movie Killings... By All Means, Hide Behind something that can stop a bullet, but do so in order to advance ur postition to improve the chances of your handgun neutralizing the threat that is attempting to kill women and children..

Just added something that would greatly aid your cause. Especially in the theater scenario.

I never though much about carrying a flashlight until that theater shooting in CO. It would have been the most effective tool to use in that situation coupled with aggressive action to subdue the shooter. But all hard charging, guns ablazing, is not usually going to end well for the good guy. YMMV.

 

[Lurker66]

Im amazed at the speed of speculation. The story is only a few hours old and its a "false flag" or here we go again, buy more bullets, the anti's are gonna spin it.

Its like it aint no surprise it happened. We know what to expect, so move on, nothing to see here.

I think incidents like this is gonna cost us because we're gonna make the same arguments, with the same old attitudes. As gunowners we should be just as outraged as the anti's this happens.

Guess im feelin a little like chicken little tonite.

 

[farmerbyron]

Im amazed at the speed of speculation. The story is only a few hours old and its a "false flag" or here we go again, buy more bullets, the anti's are gonna spin it.

Its like it aint no surprise it happened. We know what to expect, so move on, nothing to see here.

I think incidents like this is gonna cost us because we're gonna make the same arguments, with the same old attitudes. As gunowners we should be just as outraged as the anti's this happens.

Guess im feelin a little like chicken little tonite.

Solutions?!?!

What new arguments or attitudes do you suggest?

 

[Lurker66]

Solutions?!?!

What new arguments or attitudes do you suggest?

heck, i dunno. But before congress or the general public act on the emotions or kneejerks, we ought to prepare ourselves to take the mindset of; if we're gonna lose some gun rights, which ones are we prepared to lose.

Id like to at least have a seat at the table and negotiate rather than have something shoved down my throat.

That sounds defeatest but a few more of these incidents and we're screwed.

 

[Glocktogo]

Im amazed at the speed of speculation.

I'll speculate. I'll speculate that the mall was a falsely posted "gun free zone". Care to bet on it?

heck, i dunno. But before congress or the general public act on the emotions or kneejerks, we ought to prepare ourselves to take the mindset of; if we're gonna lose some gun rights, which ones are we prepared to lose.

Id like to at least have a seat at the table and negotiate rather than have something shoved down my throat.

That sounds defeatest but a few more of these incidents and we're screwed.

Yes, it does sound defeatist. I wouldn't budge an inch on this one. Do you see abortion supporters budging when fetuses are killed? Not an inch. There's no logical reason to. Every last argument the antis rely on is an emotional one that's not grounded in logic. If they can't be reasonable and logical in a debate, there's no reason to budge.

Even many anti-gun legislators admitted that gun control is a non-starter after Aurora. In 35 years, McDonald v. Chicago and D.C. v. Heller will be settled case law just as Roe v. Wade is today. The only way that will not happen is if we incrementally give up ground the way we did starting in 1968 with the GCA. That was a proven failure on our part and it shouldn't be repeated.

 

[Lurker66]

I'll speculate. I'll speculate that the mall was a falsely posted "gun free zone". Care to bet on it?



Yes, it does sound defeatist. I wouldn't budge an inch on this one. Do you see abortion supporters budging when fetuses are killed? Not an inch. There's no logical reason to. Every last argument the antis rely on is an emotional one that's not grounded in logic. If they can't be reasonable and logical in a debate, there's no reason to budge.

Even many anti-gun legislators admitted that gun control is a non-starter after Aurora. In 35 years, McDonald v. Chicago and D.C. v. Heller will be settled case law just as Roe v. Wade is today. The only way that will not happen is if we incrementally give up ground the way we did starting in 1968 with the GCA. That was a proven failure on our part and it shouldn't be repeated.

your killing my chicken little mood, lol. Maybe theres hope afterall.

 

[ez bake]

I disagree.. ONE grown man with a legally concealed gun could have stopped several murders in the Colorado Movie Killings... By All Means, Hide Behind something that can stop a bullet, but do so in order to advance ur postition to improve the chances of your handgun neutralizing the threat that is attempting to kill women and children..

While I will defend the mall scenario (while it would be a nightmare to clear after a crime like this - it would also be a nightmare for the criminal going through killing people if even one of them was armed - lots of places to hide and shoot back defensively against a crazed gunman out in the open), I have to say that the Colorado movie killings were one of those scenarios that makes me think that even if I had my CCL with me, I don't know that I could have stopped the bad guy.

He had body armor, was in the dark with a light and had a rifle. He had every advantage and as a person who has practiced even at night in dark circumstances (and carries a flashlight with me everywhere I go), I can't say for certain that one adult with a CCL could have stopped that idiot. I wouldn't bet on the guy who was watching a movie with his friends/family in plain clothes with an IWB holster and compact handgun... that got blind-sided with a well-equipped attacker with a plan, better guns for the situation, and the element of surprise.

This latest situation... Bad stuff all around - sucks for everyone involved.

 

[jrguns]

I could quote many of your posts. But that would keep on with what we already know. I agree fully with what each of you have offered. Not sure how would react in these situations but that comes with training. We also do not need to give up any more of our rights as gun owners and enthusiests. If someone is really intent on using a gun and going "postal", then they will find a way to do it. Gun control only works with resposible persons not the bad guys.

 

[11b1776]

A CC person has surprise on his side, these wackos are going to these places because they think its shooting fish in a barrel. They are out in the open spraying bullets, because they think they have the only weapon(s), and most of the time when an armed response ie the police show up they commit suicide or give up peacefully, very few get in a firefight, of course there are exceptions.

 

[11b1776]

I guess I'm saying that a CC'er has a better chance than one without.