Another Gunman Putting the 'AR15' On The Negative Skyline

[poopgiggle]

heck, i dunno. But before congress or the general public act on the emotions or kneejerks, we ought to prepare ourselves to take the mindset of; if we're gonna lose some gun rights, which ones are we prepared to lose.

Id like to at least have a seat at the table and negotiate rather than have something shoved down my throat.

That sounds defeatest but a few more of these incidents and we're screwed.

So this got me thinking. Here's a thought experiment for you.

The machine gun registry was closed in 1986, which sucked, but it was part of FOPA which was a good thing for gun owners overall.

If there was really strong push for banning high capacity baby-killing assault clips for our evil black rifles, given the current political climate the NRA probably would have enough clout to demand something in return for letting the ban go through.

Would you be willing to trade your 30rd mags for something like Federal shall-issue CCW, with preemption of state and local laws? Is there anything you can think of that you would trade in your PMAGs for?

 

[Glocktogo]

So this got me thinking. Here's a thought experiment for you.

The machine gun registry was closed in 1986, which sucked, but it was part of FOPA which was a good thing for gun owners overall.

If there was really strong push for banning high capacity baby-killing assault clips for our evil black rifles, given the current political climate the NRA probably would have enough clout to demand something in return for letting the ban go through.

Would you be willing to trade your 30rd mags for something like Federal shall-issue CCW, with preemption of state and local laws? Is there anything you can think of that you would trade in your PMAGs for?

I'd trade 30 round mags for a national pre-emption that the 2nd Amendment applies to every state and every city, both in the home and in public, with no registration or national permit required. Essentially, Vermont carry laws for everyone.

 

[Billybob]

So this got me thinking. Here's a thought experiment for you.

The machine gun registry was closed in 1986, which sucked, but it was part of FOPA which was a good thing for gun owners overall.

If there was really strong push for banning high capacity baby-killing assault clips for our evil black rifles, given the current political climate the NRA probably would have enough clout to demand something in return for letting the ban go through.

Would you be willing to trade your 30rd mags for something like Federal shall-issue CCW, with preemption of state and local laws? Is there anything you can think of that you would trade in your PMAGs for?

The CCW provisions GTG laid out and taking SBR's, AOW's, and silencers off the NFA list.

 

[sklfco]

So this got me thinking. Here's a thought experiment for you.

The machine gun registry was closed in 1986, which sucked, but it was part of FOPA which was a good thing for gun owners overall.

If there was really strong push for banning high capacity baby-killing assault clips for our evil black rifles, given the current political climate the NRA probably would have enough clout to demand something in return for letting the ban go through.

Would you be willing to trade your 30rd mags for something like Federal shall-issue CCW, with preemption of state and local laws? Is there anything you can think of that you would trade in your PMAGs for?

I would trade mine in for single term limits on all politicians, elimination of their taxpayer funded pensions, healthcare benefits (other that good ol OBAMACARE). But the chance of any of that actually happening is about the same as me really giving them up..........

 

[Spata]

I'll.give.up.my.drum.mags.when.they.come.take.them.

 

[n8thegr8]

Where's the mall ninja when you need him?

 

[uncle money bags]

So this got me thinking. Here's a thought experiment for you.

The machine gun registry was closed in 1986, which sucked, but it was part of FOPA which was a good thing for gun owners overall.

If there was really strong push for banning high capacity baby-killing assault clips for our evil black rifles, given the current political climate the NRA probably would have enough clout to demand something in return for letting the ban go through.

Would you be willing to trade your 30rd mags for something like Federal shall-issue CCW, with preemption of state and local laws? Is there anything you can think of that you would trade in your PMAGs for?

I cannot think of anything which is worth being a willing party to eroding any more of our second amendment.

 

[kennedy]

So far the pattern to all of these shootings are in locations that are "no weapons allowed". Coincidence, no. These guys did their homework as to which places they could cause the most carnage with no resistance. In my opinion, if one person returned fire these guys would have tucked tail and headed for an exit(body armor or not). People who do these acts are nothing but cowards. When these types of people are met with resistance, they will fold. The answer isn't banning hi cap mags or the evil black rifles. The answer is allowing the U.S. citizen to carry a weapon anywhere he deems needed. No restrictions on where you can or can't. Maybe the more of these cowards that get killed trying to murder others will help deter others from doing so.

 

[poopgiggle]

I cannot think of anything which is worth being a willing party to eroding any more of our second amendment.

Here's how I'm looking at it: the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted to protect the right to self-defense, both from dudes trying to jack your wallet and a tyrannical government, with reasonable restrictions for the greater public interest. Keep in mind that I'm talking about HOW ACTUAL COURTS INTERPRET THE LAW NOW, not what the 2nd Amendment means to you.*

Nationwide, shall-issue CCW is a huge advance for self-defense against dudes trying to jack your wallet, which is a (relatively) common threat. Nationwide "Constitutional carry" is even better.

However, the mag ban would be a loss for resistance against a tyrannical government, but revolutions are REALLY REALLY uncommon. The stakes are higher, but the likelihood of the situation happening are pretty small.

So does that constitute a net gain or net loss for 2nd Amendment rights? I don't really know. It depends on how you weight the respective benefits of being able to defend yourself against muggers, and The People being able to defend themselves against government.

In reality, I think that with the way the SAF has been agitating for CCW rights over the past few years, shall-issue CCW might happen anyways so it's a moot point.

*I know I'm still going to get a lot of "WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED IS UNCLEAR" from people with bad reading comprehension.

 

[Werewolf]

I'd trade 30 round mags for a national pre-emption that the 2nd Amendment applies to every state and every city, both in the home and in public, with no registration or national permit required. Essentially, Vermont carry laws for everyone.

... and with a stroke of the pen 3 months later it's all gone ...

No - we do not want to take away from the states their control over firearms law and give national pre-emption to the feds. No. Not now. Not EVER!