Probably for the same reason that I wouldn't. Our screwed up judicial system would have you behind bars for being a good samaritan. And the killers family would bring lawsuits against you as well.
Sorry, but I'll defend myself, my wife and those family members I know without a doubt aren't involved in illegal activity. Everyone beyond that small sphere is SOL. That's just how it works in this day and age.
Not for all of us. I couldn't stand by and watch it happen knowing that I had the wherewithal to do something about it.
Hopefully you are in the minority.
It is the duty and responsibility of the individual to protect themselves. Who the hell is protecting me if not me? It's not that I wouldn't want to help, but I won't allow our backasswards judicial system put me away for being a good samaritan. It sucks, but that's how it is. If I'm in the minority, so be it. Blame lawyers.
Good discussion about why no return fire in a seemingly gun friendly state. I thought a point at the top was it was a Democratic gathering. Another factor, I, like many of you, would have chosen not to be there, just in case of an incident. One post mentioned a sheepdog that was coming out of the store, he was not at the gathering.
I know the legal ramifications suck up a lot of our energy, but it might be my job to protect one of your loved ones, as well the task may fall to one of you to protect my family. Just have to walk out which will be more preferable to live with, the chance of a legal mess or the loss of some little kids mother.
Support choice: open carry, concealed carry, no carry.
I know the legal ramifications suck up a lot of our energy, but it might be my job to protect one of your loved ones, as well the task may fall to one of you to protect my family. Just have to walk out which will be more preferable to live with, the chance of a legal mess or the loss of some little kids mother.
Support choice: open carry, concealed carry, no carry.
I failed to note in my first reply that, while she was a Blue Dog, a good number of her supports most certainly are not, i.e. my wife's best friend and her husband (who live in Tucson).
Y0ou also have to remember that in OK it is not legal to carry where lected officials are meeting/speaking.
Citation?
ETA: I know what part you're talking about... it's in 21 OS 1277:
A. It shall be unlawful for any person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued pursuant to the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act to carry any concealed handgun into any of the following places:
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2. Any meeting of any city, town, county, state or federal officials, school board members, legislative members, or any other elected or appointed officials;
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2. Any meeting of any city, town, county, state or federal officials, school board members, legislative members, or any other elected or appointed officials;
However, that prohibits meetings, but not necessarily speaking events.
Furthermore, subsection B places further limitations:
B. For purposes of paragraphs 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 of subsection A of this section, the prohibited place does not include and specifically excludes the following property:
1. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, by a city, town, county, state, or federal governmental authority;
2. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, by any entity offering any professional sporting event which is open to the public for admission, or by any entity engaged in pari-mutuel wagering authorized by law;
3. Any property adjacent to a structure, building, or office space in which concealed weapons are prohibited by the provisions of this section; and
4. Any property designated by a city, town, county, or state, governmental authority as a park, recreational area, or fairgrounds; provided, nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to authorize any entry by a person in possession of a concealed handgun into any structure, building, or office space which is specifically prohibited by the provisions of subsection A of this section.
Nothing contained in any provision of this subsection shall be construed to authorize or allow any person in control of any place described in paragraph 1, 2, 3, 5 or 6 of subsection A of this section to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person in lawful possession of a concealed handgun license from possession of a handgun allowable under such license in places described in paragraph 1, 2, 3 or 4 of this subsection.
1. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, by a city, town, county, state, or federal governmental authority;
2. Any property set aside for the use of any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, by any entity offering any professional sporting event which is open to the public for admission, or by any entity engaged in pari-mutuel wagering authorized by law;
3. Any property adjacent to a structure, building, or office space in which concealed weapons are prohibited by the provisions of this section; and
4. Any property designated by a city, town, county, or state, governmental authority as a park, recreational area, or fairgrounds; provided, nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to authorize any entry by a person in possession of a concealed handgun into any structure, building, or office space which is specifically prohibited by the provisions of subsection A of this section.
Nothing contained in any provision of this subsection shall be construed to authorize or allow any person in control of any place described in paragraph 1, 2, 3, 5 or 6 of subsection A of this section to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person in lawful possession of a concealed handgun license from possession of a handgun allowable under such license in places described in paragraph 1, 2, 3 or 4 of this subsection.
Which, by the way, covers where 95% of your politician speaking events will be taking place, including one like at the Safeway parking lot in Arizona.
Consider this:
If medicines are so great, how come so many people die every day? Why is no one able to just deliver medicines to dying people and save them? Are medicines all we make them out to be?
Or consider this:
If freedom to eat what you want is so great, how come so many people eat food that is "bad for them". Why can't we just deliver healthy food to all people? Is freedom to eat what you want really all it is made out to be?
the point is: you can't use an exceptional case to control the freedoms of the normal population. It's not OUR fault that someone went nuts and did something wrong. It's not society's fault every time a crime is committed. It's the criminal's fault.
There are sheep, there are wolves and there are sheep dogs. And that's nature's law. No laws we pass are going to change that. You can't use the behavior of the wolf to control freedoms of the sheep and the sheepdog. Just because a sheep dog was not around to act when this particular wolf went rogue, does not mean you curtail the freedom of all sheepdogs.
Agreed. Had this been in Oklahoma and I were the CC guy coming out of the store to this scene, I would have walked back in and told everyone to get down and stay away from the door. I would then call the police. Its what I legaly am allowed to do.
Like it was stated before, the second CC guy came out after the suspect was wrestled to the floor, and stated that he almost shot the wrong person. Try explaning that to a jury.
Of course, if I was in the middle of it, I would respond with deadly force. I would then be within the envelope of the law... or at least enough for my laywer to save my ass.
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