CMP 1911s

[KOPBET]

Yes, I understand that. I also understand that CMP will need to acquire a FFL as well. Regardless, I do believe it will happen, eventually. Perhaps in two to three years.

 

[mugsy]

I don't think the technical requirements are difficult. I think that Sec. Carter will not approve it because the administration doesn't approve of this. I don't expect anything to be available to purchasers until the next administration and then only if it's a Republican administration.

 

[SMS]

Yup. This administration will not allow the transfer of handguns...we're lucky they never shut down CMP's rifle sales.

I don't think CMP would need an FFL, they're already in the gun biz under their federal charter.

 

[KOPBET]

I don't think CMP would need an FFL, they're already in the gun biz under their federal charter.

I based that on the comment in the NRA press release.

 

[Sanford]

I don't think CMP would need an FFL, they're already in the gun biz under their federal charter.

I based that on the comment in the NRA press release.

I'm thinking it means they'll have to transfer them to purchasers through FFL's, something they don't have to do with the rifles. Suspect it was added to keep it from "creating another loophole" or some such.

 

[mugsy]

I think the NDAA specifieds that CMP must obtain an FFL as a requirement to transfer the 1911s.

 

[SMS]

I think the NDAA specifieds that CMP must obtain an FFL as a requirement to transfer the 1911s.

Figures. Take a CMP sales system that's worked incredibly well for decades and screw it up...

 

[Sanford]

I think the NDAA specifieds that CMP must obtain an FFL as a requirement to transfer the 1911s.

Yep, you're right. Here's the amendment with the relevant section highlighted. It's really sort of meaningless since they already conduct NICS checks and keep records of sales ... but guess it made someone more "comfortable" with closing loopholes and such.

SEC. 1087. Transfer of surplus firearms to Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety.

(a) Authorization of transfer of surplus firearms to Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:

“(h) Authorized transfers.— (1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter, surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this subsection, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army, and such material as may be recovered by the Secretary pursuant to section 40728A(a) of this title. The Secretary shall determine a reasonable schedule for the transfer of such surplus pistols.

“(2) The Secretary may not transfer more than 10,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols to the corporation during any year and may only transfer such pistols as long as pistols described in paragraph (1) remain available for transfer.”.

(2) TECHNICAL AND CONFORMING AMENDMENTS.—Such title is further amended—

(A) in section 40728A—

(i) by striking “rifles” each place it appears and inserting “surplus firearms”; and

(ii) in subsection (a), by striking “section 40731(a)” and inserting “section 40732(a)”;

(B) in section 40729(a)—

(i) in paragraph (1), by striking “section 40728(a)” and inserting “subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728”;

(ii) in paragraph (2), by striking “40728(a)” and inserting “subsections (a) and (h) of section 40728”; and

(iii) in paragraph (4), by inserting “and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols” after “caliber .30 and caliber .22 rimfire rifles”;

(C) in section 40732—

(i) by striking “caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 surplus rifles” both places it appears and inserting “surplus caliber .22 rimfire rifles, caliber .30 surplus rifles, and caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 surplus pistols”; and

(ii) in subsection (b), by striking “is over 18 years of age” and inserting “is legally of age”; and

(D) in section 40733—

(i) by striking “Section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)” and inserting “(a) In general.—Except as provided in subsection (b), section 922(a)(1)-(3) and (5)”; and

(ii) by adding at the end the following new subsection:

“(b) Exception.—With respect to firearms other than caliber .22 rimfire and caliber .30 rifles, the corporation shall obtain a license as a dealer in firearms and abide by all requirements imposed on persons licensed under chapter 44 of title 18, including maintaining acquisition and disposition records, and conducting background checks.”.

(b) Pilot program.—

(1) ONE-YEAR AUTHORITY.—The Secretary of the Army may carry out a one-year pilot program under which the Secretary may transfer to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearms Safety not more than 10,000 firearms described in paragraph (2).

(2) FIREARMS DESCRIBED.—The firearms described in this paragraph are surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and spare parts and related accessories for those pistols that, on the date of the enactment of this section, are under the control of the Secretary and are surplus to the requirements of the Department of the Army.

(3) TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS.—Transfers of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols from the Army to the Corporation under the pilot program shall be made in accordance with subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code.

(4) REPORTS TO CONGRESS.—

(A) INTERIM REPORT.—Not later than 90 days after the Secretary initiates the pilot program under this subsection, the Secretary shall submit to Congress an interim report on the pilot program.

(B) FINAL REPORT.—Not later than 15 days after the Secretary completes the pilot program under this subsection, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a final report on the pilot program.

(C) CONTENTS OF REPORT.—Each report required by this subsection shall include, for the period covered by the report—

(i) the number of firearms described in subsection (a)(2) transferred under the pilot program; and

(ii) information on any crimes committed using firearms transferred under the pilot program.

(c) Limitation on transfer of surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols.—The Secretary may not transfer firearms described in subsection (b)(2) under subchapter II of chapter 407 of title 36, United States Code, until the date that is 60 days after the date of the submittal of the final report required under subsection (b)(4)(B).

 

[HiredHand]

I wonder what the purchase limit will be or if they will sold by auction only.

 

[ldp4570]

As long as CMP does a rebuild on these like they have done for the Garands then it might be nice to get one; however, if they are some like the one's I carried during my time in, well it may be better to buy a new Colt 1911A1. Most of the one's we had during my time in were pretty rough, and unless you could get a new barrel, a rock was sometime's more accurate.

Plus you have ex-pres. Clinton to thank for not having many 1911A1's to sell through CMP, as he during the mid-90's sent large numbers of those, along with Thompson's, Garands, M14's, and other surplus firearms to Anniston Depot to be destroyed. These along with firearms taken by US Custom's, and other FED LE agencies to be destroyed to.

One of my job's during that time was to deliver, and be present to clear documents on certain lot's of firearms. This was also the time when the US Customs was switching from SW 3rd Gen pistols to Glocks. Over half of their 5906's, and 6906's were still new in the box, and they went into the chopper, this included several boxes of S&W CS-1's an CS-2's(Basically custom 686's with 4"-3" barrel's).