Don't touch his junk TSA

[Glocktogo]

How long do they spend on it, and how intense is it? I really have no idea; it seems that the Israelis do an intensive crash course in interrogation.

Yeah, to get an Israel-style system working here we'd also need a hell of a PR campaign to remove the stigma of being a TSA employee.

It's not nearly as much, but better than nothing. In my position it's significantly more indepth and comes from a variety of souces, both internal and external. Unfortunately it would be extremly costly to implement to such a huge workforce. That's one way the Israelis have it easier.

Sadly, TSA is usually their own bad PR. It doesn't help that the travelling public expects a set routine that rarely if ever changes, when it's TSA's intent to introduce an unpredictable element to security that the bad guys can't prepare for.

 

[poopgiggle]

It's not nearly as much, but better than nothing. In my position it's significantly more indepth and comes from a variety of souces, both internal and external.

So if I read this right, you work for TSA? In what capacity?

I've always been skeptical that we can get people to be like Cal Lightman during a short employee orientation.

 

[Glocktogo]

So if I read this right, you work for TSA? In what capacity?

I've always been skeptical that we can get people to be like Cal Lightman during a short employee orientation.

I'm a regulatory inspector on the aviation side. While I do passenger investigations and covert testing of the screening force, my main focus is inspections, testing and investigations on airports, air carriers and flight schools.

 

[_CY_]

Yes... that is correct... if that 14yr old or anyone else doesn't fit the profile of a young Muslim.

enhanced checks should be reserved for folks that fit a certain profile.
what TSA is doing doesn't work.... a determined terrorist can smuggle enough PETN in body cavities to blow up an airplane.

for that matter... a determined terrorist can smuggle enough PETN, complete with detonator to blow up an airplane inside checked in luggage.

the new rule not allow toners over 16oz is a joke... so what ... terrorist simply find another common container to hide PETN.

sorry ... with current technologies, it's impossible to find explosives with 100% certainty.

so far only two things work... profiling and reaction of airplane passengers to any threat. which by the way is exactly what Israel has be doing for years.

sorry but those that fit the profile of a terrorist.... they should be treated to a MUCH closer examination with their luggage hand searched.

there is NO way TSA can afford to spend the amount of time to properly search everyone. but they can afford to spend time for folks that fit the profile of a terrorist (young Muslim).

So in your thinking a 14 yr old child could go through security without a check?
Terrorist are using kids that young and younger as suicide bombers.
Maybe dress terrorist as nuns, or handicapped people in wheelchairs? Nothing is beyond the terrorist mind.

In her stupid liberal thoughts, our impressive homeland security czar is wanting to get a pass, thru TSA security for muslim women.
How stupid is this? Put terrorist into burkas and they get a free pass thru security? BS
Why don't we adopt the same security that Israel has? The most hated country by muslim extremist, yet the safest airline?

 

[Dale00]

...many security experts have urged TSA to adopt techniques, used with great success by the Israeli airline El Al, in which passengers are observed, profiled, and most importantly, questioned before boarding planes. So TSA created a program known as SPOT -- Screening of Passengers by Observation Techniques. It began hiring what it called behavior detection officers, who would be trained to notice passengers who acted suspiciously. TSA now employs about 3,000 behavior detection officers, stationed at about 160 airports across the country.

The problem is, they're doing it all wrong. A recent Government Accountability Office study found that TSA "deployed SPOT nationwide without first validating the scientific basis for identifying suspicious passengers in an airport environment." They haven't settled on the standards needed to stop bad actors.

"It's not an Israeli model, it's a TSA, screwed-up model," says Mica. "It should actually be the person who's looking at the ticket and talking to the individual. Instead, they've hired people to stand around and observe, which is a *******ization of what should be done."

In a May 2010 letter to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, Mica noted that the GAO "discovered that since the program's inception, at least 17 known terrorists ... have flown on 24 different occasions, passing through security at eight SPOT airports." One of those known terrorists was Faisal Shahzad, who made it past SPOT monitors onto a Dubai-bound plane at New York's JFK International Airport not long after trying to set off a car bomb in Times Square. Federal agents nabbed him just before departure.

Mica and other critics in Congress want to see quick and meaningful changes in the way TSA works. They go back to the days just after Sept. 11, when there was a hot debate about whether the new passenger-screening force would be federal employees, as most Democrats wanted, or private contractors, as most Republicans wanted. Democrats won and TSA has been growing ever since.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...creening-1576602-108259869.html#ixzz15XPcNqpD

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-airport-anger_-GOP-takes-aim-at-screening-1576602-108259869.html

 

[Hipshot]

I have no problem with a nice pat down from a friendly attractive FEMALE tsa employee! Can we opt for a oppisite gender employee to pat us down?

 

[JEEPr]

What do y'all think about an increase use of bomb sniffing dogs? I know for some kiddos that might be an issue, but just the sight of a dog at a security check station might be a deterrent. I know I'd rather have a dog sniffing me than some Private Pyle lookalike patting me down.

 

[poopgiggle]

Just to be clear, I would support behavioral profiling, as long as it were performed by skilled and trained operatives (which, for reasons I've mentioned, probably won't scale up to a US-sized problem).

Profiling based on race won't work; John Walker Lindh proved that the Taliban or Al-Qaeda or whoever can recruit white people, the underwear bomber proved that they can recruit black people. If we start looking for young Arab-looking-folk then they'll find crazy people who aren't young Arab-looking-folk.

Of course, behavioral profiling will probably break down when terrorists figure out that they can take beta blockers to reduce visible effects of anxiety.

 

[poopgiggle]

enhanced checks should be reserved for folks that fit a certain profile.
what TSA is doing doesn't work.... a determined terrorist can smuggle enough PETN in body cavities to blow up an airplane.

for that matter... a determined terrorist can smuggle enough PETN, complete with detonator to blow up an airplane inside checked in luggage.

the new rule not allow toners over 16oz is a joke... so what ... terrorist simply find another common container to hide PETN.

sorry ... with current technologies, it's impossible to find explosives with 100% certainty.

Right, this is a technological arms race, and technical countermeasures can almost always be circumvented. Plus, with the climate we have right now, the plot doesn't even need to work; terrorists aim to strike fear into the hearts of the target population, and right now they can accomplish that just by trying to get a bomb through security.

I think we need to fund law enforcement and intelligence operations more. If someone makes it to the airport with a sophisticated bomb on their person, the NSA, FBI (CIA if they were overseas), and maybe the ATF have already dropped the ball.

 

[poopgiggle]

I'm a regulatory inspector on the aviation side. While I do passenger investigations and covert testing of the screening force, my main focus is inspections, testing and investigations on airports, air carriers and flight schools.

Hahaha. 'sup red team buddy.