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Me. I should be the recipient of any and all entitlements available, even the ones I don't know about. I've paid for everyone else's the past 6 decades. Now it's my turn.
 

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To me, an actual "entitlement" is something you are entitled to by virtue of the fact that you contributed money into it; i.e. Social Security, etc.
 
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Something you directly pay for IMO. SS and Medicare are entitlements because it's a line item on my pay stub and I pay cash money for them each payday.

Unemployment isn't, though I believe in the program. It should only be given to those that are actively job hunting though. Yes it's paid for with my taxes, but there's no line item on my pay stub showing me exactly how much I paid.

I believe unemployment is paid from witholdings the employer must set aside in a fund with the state. It's not by each individual, but by number of people employed by an employer. If you leave and they don't have to pay unemployment to you, it goes towards the next person they hire. Unless the employer does a reduction in force, the total number of unemployment claims as a percentage is fairly low in many cases. You could say that the employer would pay you a higher salary if they didn't have to pay unemployment, but you'd most likely never see an increase.



By definition, the word entitlement has broad meaning. In a political sense, it means a .gov program designed to provide benefits to a specific segment of people. Those people that meet the criteria are entitled to said benefits. Many of those who receive these benefits feel a sense of entitlement.

By that definition, I do not believe a program such as Social Security should be lumped in as an entitlement. It should be an earned income benefit. Are you entitled to it in the strictest sense of the word? Sure. However, you have to pay into the system to get something back. You earned it in other words.
 

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Looks like people have their own definitions for what an "entitlement" is.

No matter. When you hear the pundits and politicians on TV use the word it means exactly this:

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid

We pay into the first two although we get more back from medicare than we paid in, assuming we live to the average lifespan.

I'm willing to sacrifice and take some cuts in what I am "entitled" to from medicare or SS, but I'll be switched if I'm going to stand for
cutting them and then giving it to the wealthy in the same freakking bill.
That's just naked redistribution from income earners to those who don't have earned income and pay no payroll taxes of any kind.

At least put some kind of fig leaf on it and make it appear to be two separate changes please.:smash:
 

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The couple that was checking out in front of me at Buy For Less yesterday. I would say they they were about 25 years old. They had what looked like a 2-3 year old kid sitting in the basket and she looked to be about 8 months pregnant. They were paying for their food with pieces of paper that looked like checks but werent. As the clerk was scanning their items she was looking on the pieces of paper I guess to see if the item was on it. Through the course of checking out she handed the clerk 3 separate pieces of paper. When they were through she had to pay less than 4$ cash. When I was going to my car they were pulling out of a handicap parking spot in a new looking Mustang with aftermarket wheels and exhaust. (car was loud) I watched as the young man rolled down his window and lit a cigarettte. I would say that whatever that was that paid for at least $50 of groceries for them and only cost them less than $4 cas would be an entitlement.

what do you think the pieces of paper were they used to pay with?

Was prolly a WIC voucher since she was pregnant and had a small kid in cart. Stores are pretty strict with the WIC vouchers, milk, cheese, formula, juice.

Food stamps is a credit card thing.
 

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It seems like SSI/disability, medicare, medicade, VA benefits and maybe welfare are not entitlements but are social insurance programs.

Entitlements are like subsidy programs, such as paying a farmer for not growing something, or paying oil companies to research new technology, or pharmacies to research dieseases.

So politicians are reframing the idea of what entitlements are. That means a cut to ENTITLEMENTS are going to affect, children, the poor, the old, the disabled, the veterans.

Subsidy spending, however, will not be affected. Because subsidys have lobbiest working for their intrest. Subsidys wont be cut because we need subsidys, politicians never say they'll cut subsidys. But thats what needs to be cut.

Both parties are guilty of reframing entitlement ideas, so the BUZZ WORD of the ENTITLEMENT CROWD means cutting the programs the benefit those people who need it, while staying silent on subsidys.

Pay close attention to the mass media talking heads, the leaders of both political parties as well as Romney and Obama. Listen close and you will hear rhetoric about ENTITLEMENT cuts. They're comming after Medicare, SSI, Disability, VA benefits and welfare programs.
 

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what do you think the pieces of paper were they used to pay with?

Was prolly a WIC voucher since she was pregnant and had a small kid in cart. Stores are pretty strict with the WIC vouchers, milk, cheese, formula, juice.

Food stamps is a credit card thing.

If I had seen them walk to the bus stop that would have been one thing, but if they can afford a late model Mustang with aftermarket wheels and exhaust and cigs at $5/pack, how about paying for your food yourself. Or if you cannot afford the one kid you have quit making more. I was just pointing out what I perceived as an entitlement.
 

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Many of what people call business subsidies are not money handed out by the US government to businesses but just tax deductions for things the companies do. Much like if they said there is a homeowners subsidy because you get a mortgage interest deduction.
 

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