Federal judge says those accused of felonies still have Second Amendment rights

[dlbleak]

In a perfect world, that would make sense, but in our society, the convicted seldom serve the full term before being released, for many reasons.

But then again, in a perfect world, everyone would have excellent self control so there would be no need for any laws.

David makes a good point here. Like if a person is released because of overcrowding, a liberal judge, a soft parole board etc. Should 15 months of a three year sentence be considered a complete sentence? Case in point, the Memphis random shooter a couple weeks ago.

 

[SoonerP226]

David makes a good point here. Like if a person is released because of overcrowding, a liberal judge, a soft parole board etc. Should 15 months of a three year sentence be considered a complete sentence? Case in point, the Memphis random shooter a couple weeks ago.

IMHO, no. The standard should be completion of punishment. If that includes a prison term and restitution, you don't get your rights restored until the complete term of imprisonment is finished, regardless of when you get out, and after restitution has been made. F'rinstance, let's say you steal $1 million and your punishment is 15 years and restitution of $1 million. If you get released or paroled at 5 years, your full rights aren't restored until the 15 years are up and the restitution is complete. If you never complete the restitution, too bad, so sad.

 

[BillM]

Depends on the crime.

No, it doesn't. If they cannot be trusted to be out of jail, they need to be dead. If they're never going to hurt anyone again, then by definition, they can be trusted outside of jail. How is that not obvious?

 

[Snattlerake]

Two points
The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor are what the state decides is appropriate punishment for the crime convicted of. Note I said convicted of.

A misdemeanor is a crime in that the punishment is a year or less in a county jail.

A felony is a year or more in a state prison.

Back to convicted of, I will also say the majority of misdemeanors were either pleaded down from a felony in order to convict on a lesser crime or purely political or administrative as in multiple charges. Therefore we can deduce of all the misdemeanors convicted, the majority were initially felonies.

 

[Snattlerake]

No, it doesn't. If they cannot be trusted to be out of jail, they need to be dead. If they're never going to hurt anyone again, then by definition, they can be trusted outside of jail. How is that not obvious?

I still don't know what is wrong with my idea of lining up a few in a box and use a .50 calliber.
Cheap, Easy. Poof, you're done. Next three into the box!

 

[Gypsy]

The punishment should fit the crime.

.50BMG would be a hell of a way to deal with a crowd of people convicted of structuring.

 

[Gadsden]

I still don't know what is wrong with my idea of lining up a few in a box and use a .50 calliber.
Cheap, Easy. Poof, you're done. Next three into the box!

Have you priced .50 caliber ammo? Way too expensive and valuable to waste on scum like them. A rope or a small caliber round to the back of the head is just as effective and much cheaper.

 

[Gadsden]

No, it doesn't. If they cannot be trusted to be out of jail, they need to be dead. If they're never going to hurt anyone again, then by definition, they can be trusted outside of jail. How is that not obvious?

So in your opinion what factors in to determining if someone "cannot be trusted to be out of jail" and therefore "they need to be dead". One violent crime? Two? Three or more? Also, if it involves just one incident, are the circumstances surrounding the crime taken into consideration or are all violent crimes just lumped into the same category? And who makes the call? The DOJ? The same system that produces biased and corrupt Judges and District Attorney's who have already proved THEY can't be trusted? What about mental health? Is a crime committed by someone who truly was not responsible for their actions and can not be treated to a point where he (or she) can be trusted out in society an automatic ticket to be strapped down for a date with the needle too? I don't have a problem with capital punishment, as a matter of fact I am all for it, I'm really just curious how you would apply it since everything is so obvious to you and apparently you have all the answers.

 

[Seadog]

I still don't know what is wrong with my idea of lining up a few in a box and use a .50 calliber.
Cheap, Easy. Poof, you're done. Next three into the box!

Rope is cheeper and reusable. Making hamburger is way to messy and I’d pity the clean up guy.

 

[Judi]

Good....