"He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance."
"He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance."
Dont give them any ideas... If Mr. Obama is reelected, I guarantee he will go after the 2nd amendment! He will have nothing to loose then. Maybe he will rewrite the constitution to allow him to run for a 3rd term.
I just hope the rest of the country wakes up.
I was going to say wakes up before it's too late,
But it already is too late.
FOR GODS SAKES PEOPLE, OPEN YOUR MEDICATED EYES.
I was going to say wakes up before it's too late,
But it already is too late.
FOR GODS SAKES PEOPLE, OPEN YOUR MEDICATED EYES.
Oh.. and buy more guns.... 
The concept of embedded "hidden" taxes is simple and straightforward and I understand it completely. What I'm saying is that ANY time a small business owner faces reduced income because he/she must pay the bill to Uncle Sam, then he/she has been taxed. There is a reason that most companies use a measure called EBITDA "Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization to analyze/predict profitability. Profitability forecasts are estimates (by necessity since not all costs are fixed and you can't predict exact sales) whereas a year end tax bill is a precise amount based on actual year end profitability. When this number is decreased due to taxes, the business owner has been taxed. Businesses cannot accurately predict the financial impact of taxes before the tax bill comes due any more than they can accurately predict precise profitability. By making the argument that businesses don't pay taxes because all cost increases are passed to the consumer, you are ignoring the very concept of variable costs.
If you don't like that logic consider this. U.S. tax law views the LLC and the sole proprietorship as the same entity as the owner(s) and at the end of the year, the government says they've been taxed. Since the government consists of officials elected by the people (the true power holders) and their appointees, the people also say that these owners have been taxed. If the true and rightful power holders (the people) say that they've been taxed, who are we to argue. Sorry....I couldn't pass that up.
There's a reason they didn't set a fixed percentage or dollar amount. They understood that science/technology would develop and that costs of maintaining infrastructure and defense would change. Again, assuming that the government collected 1% of GDP (optimistic estimate since actual income or sales available for taxing is less than GDP since the economy is not 100% efficient), we'd be looking at revenues between $125 billion and $150 billion on the high side. I don't know about you but I like interstates. Over the years, I've also become quite fond of the FAA and the nation's aviation based infrastructure. The states and private industry do not pay for GPS satellites or ground based navigation aids that enable extensive efficient air travel nor should they. I believe that our nation needs a robust defense that is capable of taking the fight to the enemy when needed and when it is right to do so. Science and technology have rendered the concept of a "stay at home" military obsolete. These things are all constitutional expenses and $150 billion won't scratch the surface. 10% would be realistic as it would yield $1.5 trillion (on the high side...probably closer to 1.2-1.3 trillion). To put this in perspective, the United States takes in $2.1 trillion right now but SPENDS about $2.5-2.6 trillion. This tax rate with a balanced budget amendment (to include paying more than just interest on federal debt every year) would result in government expenditures will ensure that the government is effectively reduced to less than half its present size.
We'll have to just agree to disagree as we're at a philosophical stalemate. From most of your comments I get the impression that you feel that certain unenumerated tasks are fine for the central government to deal with even though they are within the realm of the States regardless of the Constitution's restrictions mentioned in it's text. The "people" have for the most part become a complacent, uninformed and ignorant mass and thus have the government they deserve. And the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I've mentioned it before... what is the purpose of government? Once you provide the true answer then things fall into place. Anything short of the true and only answer allows the government to do whatever those in the bureaucratic machine want to do for the collective which in turn expands their power. The collective takes precedence above the individual. The result is that freedom is lost and enslavement begins. This is the sin nature of man if allowed to go beyond a prescribed set of rules. But if the rules are ignored what good are they.
I mentioned 1% to be flippant. I view the original system that the Founders provided in the Constitution as being the ideal way of funding the limited central government and keeping it from becoming the voracious monster it has grown into since 1861. But this is passé today. It doesn't provide for a means by which the government can take care of all the citizens as a benevolent parent.
Americans have shown that they want to be a socialist, European style society where the government is the nanny from cradle to grave. The number of vocal members on this forum who espouse this socialist philosophy is amazing in that so many claim they want freedom... but the reality is that they simply want to be able to play with their guns without Uncle Sugar interfering in that playtime. The rest of the unalienable rights and associated freedoms don't matter. It's amazing that so many here, like the politicians they elect, attempt to buttress their arguments as being the way to do things by circumventing what the Constitution states in order to justify their viewpoints. Winning the game is the only thing that matters, even if it means tossing out the rule book which the Constitution in political discussions.
As someone else mentioned elsewhere on this forum and in private messages, it's sad that someone like me... an immigrant... stands up to defend the Constitution constantly while natural born citizens don't even care that it's being destroyed. I realize it's only a piece of paper. But the words on that paper were crafted by men willing to give up the power they had at that moment to think beyond themselves and their desires because they valued the teachings of the Creator. Those men, in my humble opinion, loved God immensely. And because they loved and respected the Creator, they forsook themselves to give to the future a means by which they could remain free and sovereign beings as God intended mankind to be.
Each and every time anyone on this forum turns to the government for help is in essence saying to God... "God, you don't matter. I trust man. I don't trust you." Each time that someone defends government, they show their true colors. They may be a flag waving patriot, clinging to a Bible they don't read and hoping they can keep their guns so they can play... but they have little sense of what freedom actually is.
I grew up listening to stories of war. Not from the perspective of an armed soldier, but from the perspective of a thirteen year old girl who lived in occupied Holland. Of family members that I never would meet who died from starvation and disease. Of German troops quartered in the house she lived in while her father secretly worked at smuggling Jews and escaping Allied soldiers to England at the same time. Of neighbors on three sides who were Nazi sympathizers watching the family's ever move and sometimes informed the SS.
I listened to the stories of my father's two years imprisonment in a Japanese internment camp for Allied nationals under the brutal watch of the Kempeitai in what was once the Dutch East Indies. Of family and friends dying from rape, beating and starvation.
Both my parents suffered at the hands of government. Government, no matter what anyone on this forum believes, is not your friend. The central government we have now is not and never will be your friend. It will use you like a farmer uses a animal to enrich himself. It will just as soon kill you like the Branch Davidians as it will enslave you ecomically so that you work to pay the debt it incurs to maintain it's power and control.
That anyone on this forum even believes that all the government does is for one iota of good is beyond my comprehension. I simply don't understand this mindset whether it's support of the local police who have absolutely no moral obligation to do anything for anyone to the belief that the central government is fighting against people halfway around the world in the name of "freedom". It's all bullsh*t. And you people buy it. Over and over and over. I just don't get it. And in not getting it I am saddened that the most wonderful experiment of self rule, of self sovereignty and of unabashed, unadulterated Liberty & Freedom is disappearing from the face of the earth. Simply because "We the People" are now "We the Sheeple".
I've mentioned it before... what is the purpose of government? Once you provide the true answer then things fall into place. Anything short of the true and only answer allows the government to do whatever those in the bureaucratic machine want to do for the collective which in turn expands their power. The collective takes precedence above the individual. The result is that freedom is lost and enslavement begins. This is the sin nature of man if allowed to go beyond a prescribed set of rules. But if the rules are ignored what good are they.
I mentioned 1% to be flippant. I view the original system that the Founders provided in the Constitution as being the ideal way of funding the limited central government and keeping it from becoming the voracious monster it has grown into since 1861. But this is passé today. It doesn't provide for a means by which the government can take care of all the citizens as a benevolent parent.
Americans have shown that they want to be a socialist, European style society where the government is the nanny from cradle to grave. The number of vocal members on this forum who espouse this socialist philosophy is amazing in that so many claim they want freedom... but the reality is that they simply want to be able to play with their guns without Uncle Sugar interfering in that playtime. The rest of the unalienable rights and associated freedoms don't matter. It's amazing that so many here, like the politicians they elect, attempt to buttress their arguments as being the way to do things by circumventing what the Constitution states in order to justify their viewpoints. Winning the game is the only thing that matters, even if it means tossing out the rule book which the Constitution in political discussions.
As someone else mentioned elsewhere on this forum and in private messages, it's sad that someone like me... an immigrant... stands up to defend the Constitution constantly while natural born citizens don't even care that it's being destroyed. I realize it's only a piece of paper. But the words on that paper were crafted by men willing to give up the power they had at that moment to think beyond themselves and their desires because they valued the teachings of the Creator. Those men, in my humble opinion, loved God immensely. And because they loved and respected the Creator, they forsook themselves to give to the future a means by which they could remain free and sovereign beings as God intended mankind to be.
Each and every time anyone on this forum turns to the government for help is in essence saying to God... "God, you don't matter. I trust man. I don't trust you." Each time that someone defends government, they show their true colors. They may be a flag waving patriot, clinging to a Bible they don't read and hoping they can keep their guns so they can play... but they have little sense of what freedom actually is.
I grew up listening to stories of war. Not from the perspective of an armed soldier, but from the perspective of a thirteen year old girl who lived in occupied Holland. Of family members that I never would meet who died from starvation and disease. Of German troops quartered in the house she lived in while her father secretly worked at smuggling Jews and escaping Allied soldiers to England at the same time. Of neighbors on three sides who were Nazi sympathizers watching the family's ever move and sometimes informed the SS.
I listened to the stories of my father's two years imprisonment in a Japanese internment camp for Allied nationals under the brutal watch of the Kempeitai in what was once the Dutch East Indies. Of family and friends dying from rape, beating and starvation.
Both my parents suffered at the hands of government. Government, no matter what anyone on this forum believes, is not your friend. The central government we have now is not and never will be your friend. It will use you like a farmer uses a animal to enrich himself. It will just as soon kill you like the Branch Davidians as it will enslave you ecomically so that you work to pay the debt it incurs to maintain it's power and control.
That anyone on this forum even believes that all the government does is for one iota of good is beyond my comprehension. I simply don't understand this mindset whether it's support of the local police who have absolutely no moral obligation to do anything for anyone to the belief that the central government is fighting against people halfway around the world in the name of "freedom". It's all bullsh*t. And you people buy it. Over and over and over. I just don't get it. And in not getting it I am saddened that the most wonderful experiment of self rule, of self sovereignty and of unabashed, unadulterated Liberty & Freedom is disappearing from the face of the earth. Simply because "We the People" are now "We the Sheeple".
Everytime I stand up, I'm called a conspiracy theorist.
Our only real disagreement is on what's enumerated and what isn't. You feel that to provide for the general welfare isn't an enumerated power and I feel that it is. The rest of this I'll agree with, far too many people would rather hear the latest "news" about Britney Spears or whatever other pop culture moron is making headlines at the time.
I figured 10% to be practical.
I am a little surprised that someone who studies/believes the bible makes statements like "liberty is all that matters" as the key takeaway from that sacred text is "love is all that matters". "Take up your cross and follow me" certainly doesn't give a ringing endorsement of individual liberty. After all is said and done, it is love that enables liberty.
Very libertarian stuff there. I will fundamentally disagree with anyone who says that the police/fire department/miltary doesn't do one iota of good.
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