HB 3354 - Open Carry

[338Shooter]

Oops, third one down. It was at the top about 30 minutes ago.

 

[338Shooter]

OKLAHOMA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Fifty-Second Legislature
First Regular Session


HOUSE JOINT RES 1054Health ins-Prohibit compulsory participation-Prohibit
Ritze fines-Authorize employm

Veto Override PASSED
Non-Emergency

YEAS: 72 RCS# 2862
NAYS: 24 5/18/2010
EXC : 5 11:10 AM
C/P : 0


YEAS: 72

Armes Hamilton McCullough Russ
Banz Hickman McDaniel, R. Sanders
Billy Hilliard McNiel Schwartz
Blackwell Holland Miller Sears
Brannon Inman Moore Shannon
Christian Jackson Morrissette Steele
Coody Jett Murphey Sullivan
Cooksey Johnson Nelson Terrill
Cox Jones Ortega Thompson
Dank Jordan Osborn Thomsen
Denney Joyner Ownbey Tibbs
Derby Kern Peters Trebilcock
DeWitt Key Peterson Walker
Dorman Kirby Proctor Watson
Duncan Liebmann Pruett Wesselhoft
Enns Luttrell Reynolds Wright, H.
Faught Martin, Sc Ritze Wright, J.
Fields Martin, St. Rousselot Mr. Speaker


NAYS: 24

Auffet Harrison Morgan Shelton
Bailey Hoskin Nations Sherrer
Brown Lamons Pittman Shoemake
Carey McAffrey Renegar Shumate
Collins McDaniel, J. Roan Smithson
Glenn McPeak Scott Williams


EXCUSED: 5

Buck Kiesel Richardson
Cannaday Kouplen


CONSTITUTIONAL PRIVILEGE: 0

 

[streak]

oops, mised that we were now talking about obama care, good to see that my looser rep is still on the wrong side of all the issues.

 

[skyydiver]

So have they really freakin' adjouned already?

 

[Peacemaker]

Where did that wording come from, I don't think I read that in the bill. If that is the case, I guess from a legal standpoint it would be better to open carry than conceal and take a chance of being made. That is not what I wanted to see.

That came directly from the bill. If your shirt rode up, it might be up to legal interpretation if it was in plain sight or partially concealed/exposed. From the way I read the bill, you have an option, concealed as in the past or intentionally displayed in plain view, no hybridized carry method that fluctuates with the wind or your body motions.

I admit I haven't read every word of it so I could be wrong but just based on my skimming through it, that is what I have seen.

 

[trade_sniper]

So have they really freakin' adjouned already?

So does that mean they will pick up where they left off tomorrow?

 

[T.R.]

Where did that wording come from, I don't think I read that in the bill. If that is the case, I guess from a legal standpoint it would be better to open carry than conceal and take a chance of being made. That is not what I wanted to see.

First, just let me say that I know absolutely nothing about doing legal research, so I could be completely wrong here. I did a google search on "HB 3354" and found what I think is the text of the bill. Here is what I found:

"

6 2. “Unconcealed handgun” means a loaded or unloaded pistol
7 carried upon the person in a belt holster that is wholly or
8 partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case​

9 designed for carrying firearms that is wholly or partially visible"

If this is correct, we would be OK. What say ye?

 

[LurchYNWA]

I think many would be upset if that wasn't true. (^^^) The concensus that I have been reading is that most people will still conceal carry, but would be glad to not have to worry so much about printing or the grip sticking out on occasion.

 

[Peacemaker]

First, just let me say that I know absolutely nothing about doing legal research, so I could be completely wrong here. I did a google search on "HB 3354" and found what I think is the text of the bill. Here is what I found:

"

6 2. “Unconcealed handgun” means a loaded or unloaded pistol
7 carried upon the person in a belt holster that is wholly or
8 partially visible, or carried upon the person in a scabbard or case​

9 designed for carrying firearms that is wholly or partially visible"

If this is correct, we would be OK. What say ye?

That part of the bill sounds better but it depends on if they construe the partially visible as to only applying to being partially hidden by the holster and not accidental exposure. I'm not trying to be cantankerous, I am only looking at all the loopholes some LEO might try to get from it to harass folks.

 

[Dale00]

E-mail sent to my senator:

I write again in regard to HB 3354, this time to urge you to reconsider your position and vote to override the Governor's veto.

Yes, there is fear among some Oklahomans of seeing a firearm carried by a plain citizen. This makes the issue a bit of a "hot potato" for legislators. The great majority of concealed permit holders will never open carry in crowded settings. I know I won't, but I do want the freedom to do so while hunting and the peace of mind to know that should my concealed carry pistol ever be accidentally exposed, I will not face criminal charges.

Open carry is legal in some form in over 40 states, and causes no problems. Therefore I cannot agree with the head of the state trooper association when he claims it will. I'll stick with the empirical evidence.

Bottomline either you trust the average concealed carry permit holder to do the right thing or you do not. I believe the founding fathers based this country on the premise that you can trust citizens to do the right thing. You should also.

Sincerely,