So... what would you do if someone asked to search you?
I've wondered this a lot. Being on private property doesn't give anyone the right to search me. If they're not a law enforcement officer and actually working in that capacity, that is.
I've probably failed to notice a few gunbuster signs that are in poorly-thought-out locations, aren't very visible, or just don't apply (like a revolver sign?), etc. But I wondered what ya'll's thoughts were on how you'd handle such a situation.
Let's say you're at a theoretical movie theater with your family, and some employee, or even a security guard (aka regular employee with no law enforcement powers) sees you printing somehow - you bend over to tie your shoe, or you drop a napkin and lean down ot pick it up, etc., and they come and say, "Excuse me, sir, but are you carrying a firearm?" Answer, "I'm not answering that question," or just plain, "No." But obviously they won't believe you, they think you printed enough to raise their curiosity, so they ask you to raise your shirt. My answer is no, not a chance. So then they just ask you to leave, ok, I'll do so, can I have a refund on my movie ticket for myself and my family? Maybe a refund on the cost of the $50 worth of crap I just bought? Likely the answer to both is no.
Ok, so you refuse, they ask you to leave, no harm, no foul. But what about some overzealous Paul Blart type who thinks he knows the law (and doesn't) and says, "No, sir, you need to stay right here, I'm calling the police." Of course, I can ignore that and actually just walk away, but what if they're stupid enough to try to physically restrain you? I mean, we know at WalMart and such, they train their folks not to actually interfere (anymore), but it's something to think about. How would/will you handle a situation where someone thinks they know the law, and they want to do some kind of "citizen's arrest", etc. I see no reason to escalate the situation to a physical altercation, but I would say simply, "No, I'm leaving like you asked me to do," or "I'm not welcome here, I'll leave now," and see if they let you go. If they physically want to restrain me, then we can sort that out when the police arrive, but if they want to try to take me down, disarm me, etc., we're going to have some problems, and there're going to be legal consequences after the fact.
Anyways, those are some of my thoughts, I just wondered if anyone here has any other thoughts, or if anyone here has actually had something like this happen to them?
I won't submit to search by a private property owner just for patronizing their establishment, but we all know people who are not just wrong on the laws, but CONFIDENTLY wrong. Even LEOs, sometimes.
I've wondered this a lot. Being on private property doesn't give anyone the right to search me. If they're not a law enforcement officer and actually working in that capacity, that is.
I've probably failed to notice a few gunbuster signs that are in poorly-thought-out locations, aren't very visible, or just don't apply (like a revolver sign?), etc. But I wondered what ya'll's thoughts were on how you'd handle such a situation.
Let's say you're at a theoretical movie theater with your family, and some employee, or even a security guard (aka regular employee with no law enforcement powers) sees you printing somehow - you bend over to tie your shoe, or you drop a napkin and lean down ot pick it up, etc., and they come and say, "Excuse me, sir, but are you carrying a firearm?" Answer, "I'm not answering that question," or just plain, "No." But obviously they won't believe you, they think you printed enough to raise their curiosity, so they ask you to raise your shirt. My answer is no, not a chance. So then they just ask you to leave, ok, I'll do so, can I have a refund on my movie ticket for myself and my family? Maybe a refund on the cost of the $50 worth of crap I just bought? Likely the answer to both is no.
Ok, so you refuse, they ask you to leave, no harm, no foul. But what about some overzealous Paul Blart type who thinks he knows the law (and doesn't) and says, "No, sir, you need to stay right here, I'm calling the police." Of course, I can ignore that and actually just walk away, but what if they're stupid enough to try to physically restrain you? I mean, we know at WalMart and such, they train their folks not to actually interfere (anymore), but it's something to think about. How would/will you handle a situation where someone thinks they know the law, and they want to do some kind of "citizen's arrest", etc. I see no reason to escalate the situation to a physical altercation, but I would say simply, "No, I'm leaving like you asked me to do," or "I'm not welcome here, I'll leave now," and see if they let you go. If they physically want to restrain me, then we can sort that out when the police arrive, but if they want to try to take me down, disarm me, etc., we're going to have some problems, and there're going to be legal consequences after the fact.
Anyways, those are some of my thoughts, I just wondered if anyone here has any other thoughts, or if anyone here has actually had something like this happen to them?
I won't submit to search by a private property owner just for patronizing their establishment, but we all know people who are not just wrong on the laws, but CONFIDENTLY wrong. Even LEOs, sometimes.
