I think a fundamental stumbling block between the two sides represented by TK/Henschman and SMS/UMB is our position on whether or not to remain isolationist or practice engagement in matters of alliances. Regardless of what arguments are made by either side, that one issue is the prism by which each view is seen.
Of course there are the anti jew and the pro jew factions which raise their head on occasion, but that is a whole 'nuther bag of worms which doesnt do anything but inflame the situation.
I too understand the argument in favor of fighting the oppression by Israel. I also believe that Israel has very little choice in the matter if they intend to survive themselves. This is coming from someone who supported the Chechen fight for independence from Russia before the former resorted to killing school children as an acceptable tool of war making. Had the Russians strapped those kids to a tank or placed them in "internationally recognized" neutral places to protect Russian arms and fighters, then all bets are off. But that isnt what happened.
Coupled with the similar notions of those Islamic fighters with the operatives in Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. in which they have declared war on the United States and Israel then it isnt unreasonable to want them controlled.
As to the PA/Hamas v. Israel solution. What do you think is a reasonable solution to the issue that would promote a peaceful resolution?
Of course there are the anti jew and the pro jew factions which raise their head on occasion, but that is a whole 'nuther bag of worms which doesnt do anything but inflame the situation.
I too understand the argument in favor of fighting the oppression by Israel. I also believe that Israel has very little choice in the matter if they intend to survive themselves. This is coming from someone who supported the Chechen fight for independence from Russia before the former resorted to killing school children as an acceptable tool of war making. Had the Russians strapped those kids to a tank or placed them in "internationally recognized" neutral places to protect Russian arms and fighters, then all bets are off. But that isnt what happened.
Coupled with the similar notions of those Islamic fighters with the operatives in Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, etc. in which they have declared war on the United States and Israel then it isnt unreasonable to want them controlled.
As to the PA/Hamas v. Israel solution. What do you think is a reasonable solution to the issue that would promote a peaceful resolution?
The whole peaceful solution is the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. IOW, it's never gonna happen. The PA/Hamas groups of the world only understand one thing. Killing your enemy. They don't want to live side by side with them, they want them just GONE. That's what everybody needs to understand.
Let there be Peace - in the Middle East!
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. There will never be peace in the ME, so long as humans roam the planet.
With that truth in mind, my preference is we do that thing that keeps the most of our GDP and American lives here in the U.S.
With that truth in mind, my preference is we do that thing that keeps the most of our GDP and American lives here in the U.S.
Probably not gonna be one.
There's very few square inches of this Earth that folks haven't won the right to occupy by killing the previous inhabitants. We did it to the Indians, the Indians did it to each other, Europeans did it for centuries...nothing new.
IMHO we have had these Arab countries declare war on us along with Israel for being the arms supplier in the Israeli war to hold the piece of land that the Palestinians occupied until recent history.
The Palestinians aren't going to forget, and Hamas (or whoever's next) will continue to fight as long as they are capable.
It's not our fight, but our entanglement in it continues.
I truly see no peaceful resolution, barring the disappearance of Israel or the Palestinian people casting off Hamas and suing for actual peace.
Well here is a solution
That is the most ridiculously hideous thing I have read in a while. And that is saying something.
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