Judas Iscariot: Bad Guy or Cosmic Patsy

[Driller]

Judas. It was all part of the plan. 2100 years later and we still speculate on "The Plan(s)". LOL.

I believe he committed the betrayal through free will, or he would not have shown remorse later. Jesus knew of it beforehand because of who He is. Just because you can see a future result doesn't necessarily mean you wrote the script to make it happen; some things are predictable to a degree.

Kind of like pulling into someone else's cow pasture in a one ton flatbed and honking the horn. Most of the time, most of the cows will come a'running.

 

[huntingfool13]

Actually if you go back to the text in the Gospel of John chapter 12 Judas did out of spite because the Lord rebuked him over his attitude in regards to the expensive ointment used to anoint Jesus's feet.

 

[ignerntbend]

Good question, J.B.

I think God simply used Judas' inherent greed to his purpose. As for Pharoah, the Bible even speaks to "God hardening his heart."

Who caused greed to "inhere" in anyone?

WTF is going on here?

 

[TerryMiller]

Who caused greed to "inhere" in anyone?

WTF is going on here?

Who says someone else has to cause it to be an inherent trait? If someone finds that being greedy gets them more stuff, then I suspect that they teach themselves. Besides, does a newborn baby just think that it's okay if mom doesn't feed him when he's hungry or does he raise a fuss to get fed? Might that not be a natural thing? Might it not take training from someone else to learn to share and not be greedy? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm 67 years old and I definitely remember my parents and grandparents teaching me about generosity.

 

[ignerntbend]

Who says someone else has to cause it to be an inherent trait?

Who is He who caused things to inhere?

It's not that funny, but here's a joke I saw somewhere:

When God and the Devil finsh their game, what happens?
Well, God and the Devil have a drink and the chess pieces go back in the box.

 

[mightymouse]

JB, I had to go with the booze on this one. Sorry....

 

[promiseofwar]

You must be thinking about the band.

 

[WTJ]

Calvinists probably teach that Judas was destined from the beginning to betray Jesus.

Like from Calvin and Hobbes?

 

[TerryMiller]

Like from Calvin and Hobbes?

No, no....not that Calvin. That Calvin changed the rules all the time.

Ever play "Calvin-ball?"

This is the "Other" Calvin.

 

[skatalite]

Judas simply played a part in God's grand plan. It was all pre-destined, like everything is (in my opinion).