Lt. Governor Jari Askins

[Dale00]

Askins put out a commercial in which she pledged to make sure that women receive equal wages. I fail to see how state government has the wisdom to be able to inject itself into the running of private businesses and discern what is a fair wage for women or any other category of people. I felt that she was pandering to women in the commercial just to get their vote.

For me Fallin is a clear choice, even if it is because she is the lesser of two evils.

 

[vvvvvvv]

I don't know what that means. I assume you want royalty payments.

Creative Commons License, with Attribution, Non-Commercial, and Share-alike provisions added...

Means you are free to use it or share it provided that you give me credit, don't make any money, and license under the same terms.

 

[vvvvvvv]

Askins put out a commercial in which she pledged to make sure that women receive equal wages. I fail to see how state government has the wisdom to be able to inject itself into the running of private businesses and discern what is a fair wage for women or any other category of people. I felt that she was pandering to women in the commercial just to get their vote.

For me Fallin is a clear choice, even if it is because she is the lesser of two evils.

If the Senate and the House were split, I would call Fallin a clear choice. Right now, my vote is going to Fallin... she'll roll over less and not jump quite as high as Askins. But unfortunately she'll likely sign anything that crosses her desk with the current make-up of the Senate and the House. With some of the things they've been sending to the Governor the last two sessions, that's not good, in my opinion.

 

[aestus]

The religious fanatics seem to be who is running the show.



The Democratic party believes in the economic principles of socialism.



You're right. The Democrats do support totalitarian control of our economy. However, Republicans push for totalitarian control of our personal lives.

Republicans say that two men or two women cannot have the same legal rights as a man and a woman.

Republicans say that a woman cannot choose to have an abortion prior to a certain point in the development phase. Additionally, they push for legislation meant to humiliate those who seek an abortion as an option.

Republicans say that two consenting adults may not have sex if there is an exchange of money, goods, or services for that sex.

Republicans say that an adult may not indulge in his own vices within the confines of his own home.



Republicans believe that natural citizens are somehow superior to those who were not born here.



A true libertarian or conservative would see this. For example, how often do you see Republicans run on the rhetoric of "fiscal conservatism" to get the conservative and then support loose spending? Reagan did that one pretty well.



Thanks.



How is this different from when Republicans and conservatives toss around the term "socialist"?



Is anyone who disagrees with your point of view a "liberal"?

That's one thing I cannot stand about Republicans and so-called conservatives.

• If I say something about fixing immigration issues that doesn't involve a shoot-first-ask-later type of policy, I get called a liberal.
• If I support marijuana legalization, I get called a liberal.
• If I support equal rights regardless of sexual orientation, I get called a liberal.
• If I support equal application of the law regardless of religion, I get called a liberal if that religion was not Christianity.

What's funny is, in the same day I'll get called a "conservative" or "right-wing extremist".

All it takes is a little bit of observation to notice that the only difference between the two parties is HOW they want to control the people. It's like playing a game of tug-o-war between Socialism and Fascism, and as long as no one falls in the mud America should survive.

So pick whatever term you want to label me with. I really don't care.

Glad I'm not the only one who sees this.

 

[farmerbyron]

The Democratic party believes in the economic principles of socialism.




How is this different from when Republicans and conservatives toss around the term "socialist"?

I'm guessing it is because according to you, democrats believe in socialism. You answered your own question.

 

[farmerbyron]

This left right, repub. dem. debate is really a moot point. Both of the parties tend to promote authoritarian rule (active govt). The parties are far more alike than they are different.

There are authoritarian repubs and authoritarian dems. Just like there are libertarian repubs and libertarian dems. There is a larger difference between an authoritarian repub and a libertarian repub than there is between a libertarian repub and a libertarian dem. Just the same as an authoritarian repub is closer to an authoritarian dem than a libertarian of the same party.

We are having the wrong debate. The debate that actually means something is authoritarian vs. libertarian.

 

[vvvvvvv]

I'm guessing it is because according to you, democrats believe in socialism. You answered your own question.

I said that the Democratic Party believes in the economic theories and economic principles of socialism. I never mentioned social or political theory.

Therefore, I did not assert that Democrats believe in socialism.

I also did not call Democrats "socialists", nor did I call Republicans "fascists". I stated that the two lean in those directions respectively, and was basically asked to qualify my statement about Republicans by Werewolf.

 

[Biggsly]

I believe that people move to one of the two groups. I don't think that all dems are socialist, but I think that socialist go to the dem party. I think alot of repubs need to move to the dem party.
Remember Norman Thomas? There are alot of people like him.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the

name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist

program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without

knowing how it happened." He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as

a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party

has adopted our platform."

Norman Thomas. 6 time presidential candidate for the American Socialist Party.

"The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label. I certainly proved it.... Running on the Socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes, and running on the slogan to 'End Poverty in California' I got 879,000. I think we simply have to recognize the fact that our enemies have succeeded in spreading the Big Lie. There is no use attacking it by a front attack, it is much better to out-flank them."
This quote speaks for alot of the people in the dem party and a few in the repubs. IMO.

 

[henschman]

Veggie Meat, most people grow up being taught that political beliefs fall into 3 categories on a bi-polar spectrum: conservative, liberal, or moderate. When people who believe in this paradigm hear someone criticizing beliefs that are regarded as "conservative," they believe that person must be a liberal, and vice versa. Most people do not defend against such criticisms by defending the policies in question on their merits, but by attacking the "other" side of the political spectrum, regardless of whether the person who made the initial criticism actually falls into that category.

I don't know how many times I've criticized redistribution of wealth or something else that is considered a "liberal" belief, only to have somebody respond by saying, "oh yeah, well Republicans do X, Y, and Z!" To which I have to respond by asking what the hell that has to do with the evils of redistribution of wealth, and why the hell they think I support those things just because I'm against redistribution of wealth.

The same thing happens all the time when I'm arguing against prohibition or government marriages... people assume that to question those things, I have to be a liberal.

Just get used to it. Most people don't realize that there is more to political philosophy than the two main arbitrary collections of issues that most people in this country subscribe to.

We have to get people to stop thinking in terms of left and right, but in terms of liberty. Both major philosophies believe in some parts of liberty, but not others.

 

[RugersGR8]

http://wwwtmrcom.blogspot.com/2010/09/democrats-seek-fallin-link-to-askins.html


Monday, September 20, 2010
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