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First and foremost the target market for this weapon is L.E. agencies, such as the state dpt. The secret service, the CIA and the majority of the other alphabet agencies, so don’t get on here and tell me I can’t do X, Y, or Z because ATF regs. I’ll burn those bridges when I get to them, that being said, I do want to have a civilian version as well

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My proposal is for a full length barrel rifle or shotgun that is completely concealable. The current NON-WORKING model is a rifle with an overall length of about 30” with a 20” barrel. The weapon can be concealed underneath a suit jacket (thus the targeted market base) this weapon will be chambered in a rifle caliber probably .556 ( God help us all, I’d really like something with a little more knock down but it needs to fit the NATO regs as to grab the widest market base. So what are you gonna do). Magazine fed and mounted optics/aiming assistances accessible this design (L.E. version) would be select fire; safe, 1, 3, and F.A.
This rifle design is one in which SUSTAINED, ACCURATE fire can be delivered one handed, while the other hand guides a VIP, weather push or pull, and precision fire can be delivered two handed. The firing mechanism is unlike anything on the mkt. (along the same line of thinking as the KRISS but not a copy of the KRISS either)

Concealed underneath a suit jacket, while not being visible, this weapon is slightly quicker to deploy than a holstered handgun, delivering more accurate fire than a handgun, with, I think, would deliver more velocity within each round due to the longer barrel, than current competitors on the mkt. to date, (mp5, sp89, ANY M4, mp7, p90, Uzi ect. ect. ect.) Completely mobile for getting in, out, and around vehicles without altering normal movements. Because of the configuration of this design this would be ideal for C.Q.B. encounters, room to room fighting, any and all urban encounters, or ambush busting.

I know I have been extremely vague but to protect my intellectual properties I must. Toward the end of the month of May I hope to be able to sit down with any and all interested parties and disclose everything that everyone wants to know. Provided N.D.A. are signed and notarized (a business plan will be part of this presentation).

To those who have already been in contact with me, your already on the list to be notified when the "meeting" is to take place, most likely on a Saturday afternoon. If you have not but want to be a part shoot me a pm with your contact info, phone # and or an email, and I'll get you on the list to be notified too.

I dont have anything to hide, I don't have the heart to screw anyone over. That is not what this is about, the intrests of my previous post is what spawned this long post and I'm trying to dance a fine line without tipping too much of my hand while still giving out a few more details. We can go talk to any LE agency and I can be investigated to any standard deemed necessary. Hopefully this will inform better and stir up even more interests.
 
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Kinda hard to conceal a 30" long rifle under a suit coat, but maybe one of the AR systems that doesn't have the recoil spring in the stock and has it above the bolt with a folding stock would work. A small electro dot sight like a Burris Fastfire or Docter Optic would be pretty compact along with a 20 round magazine.
 
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Sounds like something that will also require ITAR registration.

Thanks for the heads up on the ITAR, I would assume it would be appealing to forigen governments too. I'm sure that there are gonna be more issues that arrise and hopefully I can surround myself with people who can help guide me through this endevor.

I am an American first and foremost (money=good - American=better) Don't really care to be a criminal, much less an international criminal. It's the orange clothing and the shiny silver jewelry and oh yeah that freedom thingy.
 

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before you dump some money into this a couple of things
1. are you sure there is a market for this??? i know it might sound good to you, but you want to be sure that LEO's would be interested, along with the fact that alot of times it doesn't even matter IF people want something it matters who has the contract (a ton of leo's don't want glocks...)
2. be sure that you can actually patent you technology, otherwise a larger company might just rip it off...
 

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Good to hear that you're going to be arming the American "Law Enforcement" community with a weapon that their subjects aren't going to be able to have access to. :thumbup3:

I know you didn't ask for any suggestions, but I'll force my $ 0.02 into your pocket anyway. Lose the burst and FA fire. Five well placed shots by a trained rifleman are just as (if not more effective) as a full auto mag dump. Yeah, FA is fun when you're standing on a ridge and firing into an old junker car 200 yards away, but it's not the best marksmanship tool ever invented. Lose the FA and burst fire and promote accurate aimed shots, and then you can sell to the LEO/military AND civilian markets without retooling.

It sounds like you're talking about a bull pup configuration. My next suggestion is to make sure that you can shoot it effectively while standing, sitting/kneeling, and prone.

Also, iron sights, iron sights, iron sights. (and a M1 style sling).
 

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what's your background in firearms design / mechanical engineering / materials / etc?

And if you apply for a patent, you can post all the details here and you'd be more likely to get interest.
 

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So...... something like this??

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Or this???
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Good to hear that you're going to be arming the American "Law Enforcement" community with a weapon that their subjects aren't going to be able to have access to. :thumbup3:

Well I can't just stand up and scream Revolution now can I ? (No matter how much I want to) I don't disagree with your acessment as stated in your main paragraph but the big quick $$$$$ is in LE market. I'm one of those crazies that beleive that everyone (with few exceptions) should have access to what ever is on the open world mkt. Close to a bullpup, but not (i think). The design is capable of firing from any firing position and the design is one that would be inhibiative of the M1 style sling.

Working furiously on the pending status so I can put out all the details.
 
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what's your background in firearms design / mechanical engineering / materials / etc?

I have an industrial background, and an overwhelming fascination with all things firearms. I've had this fascination since I was about 13 let's see I'm 31 now so I've been mopping anything and everything up about firearms that I can for the past 18yrs. I have submitted ideas to a few of the big name gun manufactures before, and spoke with a few local builders, but untill now I've just had Idea's on modifying existing designs. This disign is to be a complete ground up build, not just making modifications to existing designs. I'm a very out of the box person and this is a VERY outta the box design. I'm working furiously on the pending app, so soon (I don't know when) we'll have designs and specs up on this site.

That's right people OKshooters is going to debut this, then there will be gun talk radio show, each and every gunshow in this area, and then the shot show (then there will be millions MOOHAAAAA (evil genuis laugh)
 

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