Obama Phone

[Lurker66]

Shhh.... They're on a roll, those dims. No amount of logic, truth and facts are going to convince them otherwise. Our government is broken beyond repair and needs a hard boot or master reset. I'm getting more and more convinced that the only thing that will get through to the 51% or whatever that voted for 4 more years of the exact same is stark reality hitting them upside the head. They won't listen and they are just going to have to learn it the hard way like a hard headed teenager. The sooner the better. I saw in a sig line from someone who is quite wise that said that "bleeding is merely the first step in healing". I don't mean to belittle those in NJ and NY their suffering, but some that I have seen on the tube are a perfect example. I've seen several in the last few days that have stated that they are "on our own" and they are quite resentful that the government isn't helping them. A little part of me wants to say "Really? You had days, not hours, but days of warning. You were told what was going to happen and told to GTFO. Yet you stayed? You had made no preparations whatsoever (I've seen several interviewed that didn't even have 2 days worth of bottled water much less some emergency food rations). And yet you stayed? It's been less than two weeks and you're pissed that you've had to take care of yourself? For two weeks? Really?" Being in OK and none of us are strangers to disaster with tornadoes, fires and floods. We all hate to see their true suffering, but a small part of me has little sympathy. The ones I'm talking about are of the opinion that the government is supposed to come in and take care of them, that they have no responsibility for themselves, I guess being taxpayers they expect these things. Like I said the system is broken...

Obamaphone? What the heck happened to using a pay phone anyway?

so you watch the news and "several" ppl say something like "we're on our own", then you use that to justify everyone in NY or NJ. Your "several" ppl are more like maybe 10 and thats being generous.

This storm effected like 50 million people. Can you imagine even trying to evacuate that many people? I mean cmon, your kinda makin light of reality.

As for the 51% comment, that didnt work out so good for the south. But thats ok, some people have to be dragged, kickin n screaming, for the country to move forward.

Oh and pay phones are being phased out as too costly to maintain.

 

[ignerntbend]

Guys really, you've got me. Two un-funded wars costing many millions of dollars a day were NO problem. Giving away free out moded phones to Americans?
Well, that's over the line.

A serious Ayn Rand type country would take those phones to the dump and bury them. Because FREEDOM!
Morally wrong to help americans with a penny. Perfectly ok to spend trillions killing foreigners.

Why? FREEDOM!

 

[Lurker66]

I totally disagree with that statement and the concept behind it. The Soviets thought the same thing. Everybody works for the government. Anybody see how that went?

The Government is what got us into this precipitus situation that the US resides in now. This country can come back to greatness, but it can't with the bow down apologies platform that we are currently following.
The World is not only laughing at us, but now mocking us.

You dont disagree with me, surely you know the government is the process we must go through to fix or effect change. If government isnt the process, please tell me what is.

 

[Shadowrider]

so you watch the news and "several" ppl say something like "we're on our own", then you use that to justify everyone in NY or NJ. Your "several" ppl are more like maybe 10 and thats being generous.

This storm effected like 50 million people. Can you imagine even trying to evacuate that many people? I mean cmon, your kinda makin light of reality.

As for the 51% comment, that didnt work out so good for the south. But thats ok, some people have to be dragged, kickin n screaming, for the country to move forward.

Oh and pay phones are being phased out as too costly to maintain.

That's only part of it. I have a friend that lives in Manhattan, he was actually back down here on business during the storm but his wife wasn't and you wouldn't believe the ordeal his wife had getting out of there. I talked to him on Thursday for about an hour, he's also verified what I've seen on TV. It's just the mentality up there, government is "just supposed" to take care of them for whatever comes along. It's not like they've never been hit by a storm either...

 

[Lurker66]

Spin it how you want, but under the Bush tax cut revenue to the treasury did in fact hit an all time high. DC squandering it all is another argument.

If the Bush tax cuts were so good for the rich, why havent we seen an increase in jobs? When the GOP argues that a tax hike on the Rich will cost the Rich money that could trickle down, or allow them to create jobs, why hasnt that worked?

The Rich had 8 yrs to create jobs, create business and look what happened, we tanked. Get a new argument, the old one wont work.

Better yet, make them pay for everyones smart phones, lol.

 

[ignerntbend]

Here's something else. As long as the economy grows at the paltry rate of 2% a year, you're always going to have "record revenues."
The problem is that you can also have record un-funded expenditures. Trillions of dollars worth. If you're the first President in the history of the United States and the first leader in the history of civilization to cut taxes and wage war at the same time.
That's not me spinning it. That's the way it is.

But of course, theres this other matter of the free phones.

 

[Lurker66]

That's only part of it. I have a friend that lives in Manhattan, he was actually back down here on business during the storm but his wife wasn't and you wouldn't believe the ordeal his wife had getting out of there. I talked to him on Thursday for about an hour, he's also verified what I've seen on TV. It's just the mentality up there, government is "just supposed" to take care of them for whatever comes along. It's not like they've never been hit by a storm either...

The reality is this: the government is supposed to help them. Im not saying the government bears total responcibility. The reality is, the government will help but like Katrina, the gov can only do so much. And im ok with that.

 

[RickN]

I don't care about people getting free phones but the comments about a modest tax increase on the wealthy crack me up!!!! They could tax everyone making over $250,000.00 a year at 100$ and still never put a dent in the deficit. We just do not have enough wealthy left in this country. I read an interesting piece the other day about all the foreclosed multi million dollar homes.

They will get some kind of tax increase and guess what, spending will never decrease and neither will the deficit or national debt. Instead they will find some new way to waste the money. As far as the government fixing the problem of people only having part time low paying jobs, right now the government is the biggest cause of it. Yet another company announced the other day that they will probably have to cut their employees to under 30 hours per week because of Obamacare.

 

[RickN]

If the Bush tax cuts were so good for the rich, why havent we seen an increase in jobs? When the GOP argues that a tax hike on the Rich will cost the Rich money that could trickle down, or allow them to create jobs, why hasnt that worked?

The Rich had 8 yrs to create jobs, create business and look what happened, we tanked. Get a new argument, the old one wont work.

Better yet, make them pay for everyones smart phones, lol.

The unemployment rate during the Bush years was half what it has been during the Obama years and we did not tank until after the Dems took over Congress, so maybe you should get a better argument because yours only works on the uninformed.

EDIT: I almost forgot. New job creation under Bush was 1.8 per thousand under Obama, 7.8.

 

[ignerntbend]

The unemployment rate during the Bush years was half what it has been during the Obama years and we did not tank until after the Dems took over Congress, so maybe you should get a better argument because yours only works on the uninformed.

EDIT: I almost forgot. New job creation under Bush was 1.8 per thousand under Obama, 7.8.

We're doing that whole thing over again. The Republicans took over both houses of congress in 1995. They held controll of congress untill 2007. They had the presidency from 2001 until January 2009. There was a Republican at the Federal Reserve, Allan Greenspan. There was a Republican at the SEC, Christopher Cox.

You know who messed up the economy? That Ghadam Barney Frank! It only took him eight months to screw-up what them good FREEDOM Republicans had built up over all them years. That Gahdam Barney Frank, yeah, that's who it was.