Obama says fight for gun laws 'ought to obsess us'

[reddog1]

Hell just make one or two more false flags, blame it on patriots.

Martial Law.

They are ready.

Are you?

 

[uncle money bags]

What I didn't see mentioned was the fact that the guy still had a secret security clearance with a documented history of mental illness. Wasn't that clearance one of the things that allowed him entry to the base and the areas he was in? Didn't the news say he was discharged early from the navy for disciplinary problems? That should have cancelled his clearance right then.

Bureaucratic BS when he was discharged.
"By the time the Navy began to seek a "general discharge" for Alexis, he had eight instances of misconduct on his record, including insubordination, disorderly conduct, unauthorized absences from work, and at least one instance of drunkenness. But in the end, he left the service with an honorable discharge because he had never been convicted and there was a lack of evidence to merit a general discharge, a U.S. defense official said."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-yard-suspect/index.html

Hell just make one or two more false flags, blame it on patriots.

Martial Law.

They are ready.

Are you?

Yep.

 

[dennishoddy]

It was a gun free zone. Everybody should have been safe.

 

[tran]

It was a gun free zone. Everybody should have been safe.

Right...

 

[Billybob]

USIS, the Falls Church government contractor that handled the background check for National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden, said Thursday that it also vetted Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis for his *secret-level clearance in 2007.

The company, which is under criminal investigation over whether it misled the government about the thoroughness of its background checks, said earlier this week that it had not handled Alexis’s case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...778cae-2173-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html


Snowden's Background Check Found to be Inadequate

The review found that the US Investigations Services (USIS) of Falls Church, Va., the largest security background check firm working for the federal government, did not verify Snowden's account of a past security violation and his work for the CIA. The review also criticized the firm for not looking thoroughly at a trip to India Snowden failed to report, and for not interviewing or seeking enough information from anyone other than his mother and girlfriend, the Journal reported.

Overall, the review concluded that the security check run on Snowden "did not meet the requirements" of a 1997 document outlining federal guidelines on routine background checks.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/snowden-background-checks/2013/08/28/id/522665

 

[Defnestor]

Also, Snowden was never asked if he could keep his mouth shut about the NSA violating the privacy of everyone in the world.

 

[farmerbyron]

Keep pushing the gun laws and we will keep gaining ground. They always mention the "vast majority of Americans support new gun laws". Well where are they? If there were such a consensus, onerous gun control would already be in effect. Frankly, I hope they keep pushing for gun control because they will get their asses handed to them on the issue. Case in point, Colorado recall elections.

 

[0311]

What I didn't see mentioned was the fact that the guy still had a secret security clearance with a documented history of mental illness. Wasn't that clearance one of the things that allowed him entry to the base and the areas he was in? Didn't the news say he was discharged early from the navy for disciplinary problems? That should have cancelled his clearance right then.

Exactly.

 

[AKguy1985]

He is just revealing his true intent.

 

[Dale00]

Interesting comment posted on instapundit.com:

(1) Contrary to some initial news reports, Alexis did not use an AR-15 assault rifle. Rather, he used a shotgun, which he brought with him, and a pistol he appears to have taken from an armed guard at the Navy Yard. So, arguments about banning “military-style assault rifles” don’t fit this particular - still tragic - narrative.

(2) Alexis had a Secret security clearance. More than a simple criminal background check, the procedure requires a few months to a year of investigation. So, the usual arguments about basic background checks for gun ownership preventing tragedies of this sort don’t fit this narrative either.

So, what does fit? What changes to law and policy can we talk about in the aftermath of this week’s tragedy?

We need to have some tough conversations about identifying severely mentally ill individuals, treating them for those conditions involuntarily if necessary, and warehousing them, if absolutely no other therapeutic option remains. Historical precedents teach that these issues can be easily mishandled. That fact, though, does not mean that we don’t need to do our best to handle them properly now.

We must also have some uncomfortable conversations about pharmacological treatment of mental illness and the liabilities that come with prescribing drugs that may affect individual patients in difficult-to-predict ways.