Obama Too Intelligent for Republicans to Understand

[YukonGlocker]

Well, progressive policy's have been a general failure for the last 7 1/2 years.

Which ones? Most progressives think Obama's legacy is the outstandingly great...who is right? But, it's really more complex because much of it is filtered through congress and the judicial system. We'll know more about how successful Obama was (or not) in 10 or 15 years.

 

[dennishoddy]

Most progressives are challenged intellectually when it comes to failed policy's. Obamacare is failing, States are dumping it because its not working, They rig the books on unemployment vs the people that have dropped out of the workforce because there are no jobs, and the story goes on.

 

[Dale00]

The values are in conflict and cannot both be correct.The great majority in both camps have simply drifted to that point of view by the process of absorbing the opinions of those around them and from the work of propagandists, rather than by thoughtful consideration.

For example, a growing majority looks to government to improve their quality of life. This is foolishness. I am grateful to be the son of a small businessman. I saw what business is from the inside out and realize that government cannot provide the needed societal benefits that individual small business owners can. Resiliency and freedom are important and are stifled by liberalism.

 

[YukonGlocker]

They can be in conflict, and still both be valuable and good but for different reasons. The balance between that conflict is what makes things alright in the end.

 

[Dale00]

OK, if I understand your paradigm, it is that there is an optimum level of government control vs individual freedom. With that I agree but "big picture" liberal thinking is that more government control is almost always needed. With that I disagree.

 

[YukonGlocker]

There's more to "values" than govt. control vs. individual freedom. This video is a good one on the issue: http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind. I'd be curious to hear your feedback about it.

 

[Dale00]

I took a peek at it but need some rest. Will get back to it tomorrow.

 

[dennishoddy]

OK, if I understand your paradigm, it is that there is an optimum level of government control vs individual freedom. With that I agree but "big picture" liberal thinking is that more government control is almost always needed. With that I disagree.

Government is needed. We need a great military to protect us, we need the government to provide some of the basic social and economic issues, but we do not need government to invade our personal lives, and our occupations. The Cowards in the congress have created the EPA, DHS and other agencies to legislate for them so they do not have to be on record as actually changing a law that might lose them votes in the next election. That is the issue.

 

[Wheel Gun]

I work with a lot of people that would agree with the article at the top if this thread.