Oklahoma Teens shoot Australian Baseball player "because they were bored"

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I'm actually very curious as to the history behind the gun used. If it turns out that it was stolen and/or the proposed (tantrum-causing) "gun control laws" would actually have done anything or not.

If it turns out the gun was legally owned by the parents and came from the home of one of the 3 teens, this will definitely see the light of day - and honestly, I'm absolutely interested in what Al and Jesse have to say at that point (both being the attention whores they are - neither will be able to refuse a TV appearance).

There might actually be something good to come out of this tragedy if the United States starts a dialogue with itself about some of it's very real racial issues and the causes/effects and positive ways to solve these issues.

I appreciate your optimism, but.....
 

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Let's quit blame gaming and put some of this responsibility squarely where it should rest - on the laps of the parents. These children are minors.
 

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does race even matter at this point?

It does in the sense that so many people are hollering about it (both the race-baiters, and the race-reeled-in-hook-line-and-sinker types - many of whom are here on OSA), yet it remains the elephant in the room that we as the United States ignore as a problem worthy of an actual serious solution as a whole.

I don't think the government should get involved in solving anymore problems (they've obviously done such a good job so far), but people can collectively act of their own free will without it being communism/socialism and I'd say we as a country are way past talking (like civilized adults) specifically about these racial hot-button issues.

More importantly, how do we stop/prevent this type of thing on the scale it's currently happening (as people, not as a forceful government)? Is education the key?

I don't know but while we keep just back-and-forthing with snide comments and slanted media reports, a lot of folks are 1.) being raised/not-raised under horrible circumstances, 2.) killing and/or being killed, or suffering/dying, and 3.) becoming a burden to us all one way or another.
 

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does race even matter at this point?

It did when an Indian kid and white goofball decided to randomly shoot people a few years ago on Good Friday in Tulsa. I'm not convinced that it was just a coincindence that the random person they picked out to shoot happened to be white.
 

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Let's quit blame gaming and put some of this responsibility squarely where it should rest - on the laps of the parents. These children are minors.

There's the answer. But it raises another issue - people are free to raise their children any way they want. Is holding them accountable for their childrens' actions the only answer or do you go further? How do you force/require/encourage/educate a parent to be a better parent (or one at all)?

The problem is that once so many folks are out there that haven't been raised by a real parent, they repeat the cycle and so forth and so forth.

What's the fix? I've seriously had numerous conversations about this with folks of all races/ages/nationalities and I got nothing (other than accountability for your childrens' actions - but is that really a fix?).

If someone was raised by parents who don't care, it instills a lack of empathy within them. How do you convince sociopaths that they need to care about their children? Incentives need to be something other than "for their own good" or "because you love them" or they aren't hearing it.

I'm not talking about one race here either - empathy is taught to be a weakness by all too many parents these days, but when you combine that with (self-made) poverty, idiotic decisions, an urban setting in a high-crime area, you just add gasoline to the fire. A high-concentration of people in a small area seems to be a major factor in upping the anty (for the numbers overall), but it happens in small-towns too, or we wouldn't be reading about it in OKC.

The timing of this one and the addition of an international semi-famous figure and the involvement of a gun are just too juicy for the media to let this story go. I bet it blows up and the follow-up is going to get very nasty.

I seriously hope nothing horrible happens as a result.
 
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