Places that are off limits for CCW?

[yrralguthrie]

Not trying to get an argument started, but sometimes I get to thinking...pretty dangerous.

First start with the premise that it is legal for a person to carry open in a private enterprise if permission if given by the owner. i.e. some guns stores and pawn shops.
Anyway, suppose a private enterprise has a sign stating no concealed weapons. Is this giving one permission to carry open? Not the intent, but letter of the law? This wouldn't be law concerning carry of guns, but law concerning how a legal sign prohibiting an activity must written.



ljg

 

[Glocktogo]

Not trying to get an argument started, but sometimes I get to thinking...pretty dangerous.

First start with the premise that it is legal for a person to carry open in a private enterprise if permission if given by the owner. i.e. some guns stores and pawn shops.
Anyway, suppose a private enterprise has a sign stating no concealed weapons. Is this giving one permission to carry open? Not the intent, but letter of the law? This wouldn't be law concerning carry of guns, but law concerning how a legal sign prohibiting an activity must written.



ljg

A legal posting cannot "permit" an unlawful act. It is currently illegal for the average citizen to open carry, so no.

 

[Reginald Murray]

If it hasn't been mentioned ... then add some Tulsa area banks and the Broken Arrow Bass Pro to the list.

 

[conditionone]

Bass Pro? That makes no sense since they sell guns

Is it not legal to open carry on private property if the owner permits?

This may sound dumb but I haven't been to one yet. What about gun shows?
Wannamachers or the one that is coming up next week?

 

[Liberty addict]

Promanade Mall is posted.
I wouldn't even go there but I'm married to a girl 10 years my junior,and she likes the mall
I've written them about their poicies and they responded that they don't care where we spend our money as long as there are no guns in their mall. :finger:

So, I guess nowhere in Oklahoma law does it spell out the legal authority of posted signs? My take on it is that if one goes in a posted place while carrying, the proprietor would have to first notice you are carrying and then ask you to leave; then if you don't leave you can be charged with trespassing. In this way, I think the signs mean essentially nothing since I don't plan on being "made". As for carrying against the owner's wishes; well, he obviously doesn't give a rat's behind about my life or that of my loved ones, but he wants me to care about his feelings? Yeah, right.

 

[Liberty addict]

Midfirst Bank, both Norman branches. No other branches seem to be posted. I really need to get my letter sent....


RE: hospitals:
Given that many of them are funded by their respective cities, I'd be wary of this clause:

I don't think it applies, but I'd sure hate to be a test case. Also, seeing as how there tend to be things in hospitals that don't react well to bullets--like oxygen lines, cryo equipment, pathogen samples, radiological sources, and other such interesting stuff--I don't think I'd necessarily be inclined to carry there. Doubly so given that most of my time in hospitals is spent working in radiology (my other job), and mixing five pounds of steel with an MR scanner is distinctly suboptimal.

Bottom line is that there may be a legal reason for forbidding carry (in which case they're doing us a favor by posting), and even if it's not a legal reason, they may have advanced knowledge which the general population lacks WRT extraordinary hazards. I'll give them a pass on that one.

Hospitals -- I always carry in those, lots of bad things happen there, with upset people of all kinds including gang members trying to off a rival in the E.R. or elsewhere. Plus, I hate going out to the parking lot at night wearing no gun -- an even bigger reason for carrying inside than was already mentioned.

 

[B1rd]

Hospitals -- I always carry in those, lots of bad things happen there, with upset people of all kinds including gang members trying to off a rival in the E.R. or elsewhere. Plus, I hate going out to the parking lot at night wearing no gun -- an even bigger reason for carrying inside than was already mentioned.

I agree with carrying in the hospital. All different kinds of people in one place. I don't worry about Oxygen lines etc., I don't plan to use it, but if I needed it, I would prefer having it with me instead of wishing I had it.

 

[SMS]

Not sure if it's new, but I just noticed a no weapons (including concealed) at the Buy For Less on 15th and Post in MWC.

 

[B1rd]

Not sure if it's new, but I just noticed a no weapons (including concealed) at the Buy For Less on 15th and Post in MWC.

Can anyone other than LEO carry open in Oklahoma? Funny they had to mention concealed.

 

[SMS]

Can anyone other than LEO carry open in Oklahoma? Funny they had to mention concealed.

It is funny, but I took it to mean that they are are specifically including permit holders. Which makes it more outrageous.