The way it used to work:
You take your gun and pawn it.
When you pick it up you have to do a 4473 and they do a NICS.
I think.... It's been years since I pawned a gun.
You take your gun and pawn it.
When you pick it up you have to do a 4473 and they do a NICS.
I think.... It's been years since I pawned a gun.
You make someone say they will "transfer" the gun to them? WTF does that even mean, to transfer? Like go to an FFL and transfer it? Can an FFL to a transfer without the seller being there? Doesn't an FFL technically receive the gun to be able to sell it?
You will threaten to confiscate the item if they do not? How is this enforceable? Since this is a civil contract, would you file a suit for breach?
How do you know if they even do that or not?
Why are you enforcing some pseudo gun registration when we live a state that does not require such asinine action?
You actually found someone who agreed to do such a transfer when purchasing a firearm from you? Surely not, and they were just blowing smoke.
These are not rhetorical questions. My mind is blown and I am curious what the answers are.
Me too. I'm clueless...
Yes, every firearm I have sold has been done on such terms. I am not concerned about the person I am selling to, but I am concerned about where it could be sold next.
I do not want my name attached to a firearm that is not under my control plain and simple.
I do not want my name attached to a firearm that is not under my control plain and simple.
It is always made known before any meet is arranged. That would be rude to just show up and expect someone to agree to that.
This makes no sense for private sales in Oklahoma. Guns are not registered in Oklahoma. The 4473 is just for a background check and a dealers bound book of what he bought or sold. This is plain Stupid. The 4473 does not make a gun registered. This nonsense needs to evaporate and go back to what ever state it came from. It stinks of some socialistic PC brainwashing corectivness that stemmed from some liberal gun hating blue state. This type of thinking can be contagious and detramental to gun ownership. Unnessisary additional regulation on a used firearm in a free state.
Now if you want the fellas name that you sold it to, theres no harm in that for a record.
Now if you want the fellas name that you sold it to, theres no harm in that for a record.
If this is the case, then what information comes up when the serial number is run through the database. Just whether it is stolen or not?
If so, then I definitely have to concede that it is a waste of time. I was under the impression that my name is attached to the serial number of a firearm at the time of sale from a FFL.
Just curious, why is necessary to want to see if they just have a driver license?
Ok, I am an FFL so maybe I can clear up some of the stupid confusion here.
Oklahoma does not register handguns but some states do.
when a gun is brought in for transfer or we buy it to sell to someone we have to record who we recieved it from and usually get all the information right from their drivers license
The information is recorded into our bound book.
There is no checking the gun to see if it is stolen, to do that we would have to turn the gun over to a police officer and wait till they check it out, if it is stolen then we never get it back and have no recourse.
When we sell a gun we have them fill out a 4473 which is a background check. We do record what they are buying but that information is kept private unless we are requested to turn over the records for the purchaser of a specific gun
they can do that if the gun is recovered from an illegal activity and the feds want to know if the gun belongs to who they think it is.
In that same bound book that shows where we got the gun, we record where the gun went and then we are required to hold on to the bound books for a period of 20 years.
So the gun is not registered to you but there is a paper trail.
hope this clears up some information.
Oklahoma does not register handguns but some states do.
when a gun is brought in for transfer or we buy it to sell to someone we have to record who we recieved it from and usually get all the information right from their drivers license
The information is recorded into our bound book.
There is no checking the gun to see if it is stolen, to do that we would have to turn the gun over to a police officer and wait till they check it out, if it is stolen then we never get it back and have no recourse.
When we sell a gun we have them fill out a 4473 which is a background check. We do record what they are buying but that information is kept private unless we are requested to turn over the records for the purchaser of a specific gun
they can do that if the gun is recovered from an illegal activity and the feds want to know if the gun belongs to who they think it is.
In that same bound book that shows where we got the gun, we record where the gun went and then we are required to hold on to the bound books for a period of 20 years.
So the gun is not registered to you but there is a paper trail.
hope this clears up some information.
BATFE will only do a trace if the gun shows up at a crime scene. They'll try to reconstruct where it went from manufacturer to last point of sale, and further if the owner can give information on a downstream purchaser. It is not registered to any owner and can be freely transferred from private individual to private individual without paperwork. It is illegal to KNOWINGLY sell to a felon or someone out of state. If I have any doubts, I'll ask to see ID. If I feel like I need to run an OSCN check on someone to feel comfortable with the sale, I will not sell it to that person, period. I like doing business on OSA because everyone I've bought and sold from/to, have been stand up people.
Like GTG said, it's illegal to sell a gun to someone who is not a resident of Oklahoma without going through an FFL. With a DL I know that they are a resident. I was thinking that this only applies to handguns, does it apply to long guns as well?
