Rancher in Nevada being harassed by the FEDS and confiscating his cattle

[Jefpainthorse]

Let me add a point to this. Jeff, you are exactly correct that BLM has a crap ton of acres. Also, the oil companies would dearly love to get to drill about a gazillion wells on a decent portion of it. Pretty much the entire length of the Rockies. When the BLM sells leases they get paid a royalty on all the oil and gas produced just like one of us would. Also when you hear one the dimwitocrat drones state the they have gotten tough with the O&G companies and say "we told them to drill it or lose it". Just laugh, because that's just how it works. It always has worked this way and they haven't done a damn thing. Leases are typically 5 years. The oil companies pay for the lease when they get it. 5 years later if they don't drill AND produce it goes byebye and nobody gets paid back their money. That's no different than it ever has been in the history of drilling.

Folks, let me say it again... The O&G companies would dearly love to get into these areas. Why? Simple. There are huge amounts of oil & gas there. The royalties that would be paid to the .gov would make your head spin. Add in all the jobs that would generate income and sales taxes and it's truly mind boggling. As it stands now, the O&G companies will only bother with BLM if they know it's an especially "juicy" opportunity. It's just too much of a pain in the ass to deal with otherwise. Ask yourself why that is the next time it costs you $3.50 per gallon to fill your tank...

Not to mention... Gold Silver and every other thing you need that can't be row cropped is in the ground out here. All that land has to be bought or leased-permited as it stands now. I know somebody just leased a pretty good oil play out north of Reno and the Oregon state line. Oh we have a ton of sunshine (solar) but since the BLM wont permit any power lines or roads there ain't no reason to sell a clean comodity...nor the geo thermal steam all over the country out here either.

But you folks should be glad to know... your paying for t posts and fence to keep us out and on the trail and fire trucks to put all this "nothing" out if it catches fire.... LOL

 

[CHenry]

The 19th of April is just 8 days away. Just sayin.

Thats right, it was on April 19th!


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[Jefpainthorse]

ths has been going on since 1993. in 2013 he lost a state court case and the courts ordered him to stop grazing his cattle on public land. the blm has jurisdiction. he has thumbed his nose at the law because he thinks he is untouchable and many are jumping on his side because he is trying to make this out to be like ruby ridge. even the nevada cattlemans association is backing the feds.

Actually officially they(NCA) are not saying much of anything right now. Bundy has a ton of local support. State senators are for him. When Sandoval sends the NHP to arrest the Feds this could get stinky. Sandoval has been arguing with the FEDS over land rights ever since he go elected and so have the other 5 states in the region for years.

Bundy --- he's what you'd call a test case. A guy who is willing to see if a jury can nullify bad law. They still teach that in school don't they- civics?

BTW... why would a bunch of BLM rangers need a SWAT team... I could see them having some jeeps and t post drivers... even a compas and GPS. But military grade tactical stuff? Sounds like a good way for the Federals to bypass that whole USCON deal about "standing armies"......

 

[Shadowrider]

Not to mention... Gold Silver and every other thing you need that can't be row cropped is in the ground out here. All that land has to be bought or leased-permited as it stands now. I know somebody just leased a pretty good oil play out north of Reno and the Oregon state line. Oh we have a ton of sunshine (solar) but since the BLM wont permit any power lines or roads there ain't no reason to sell a clean comodity...nor the geo thermal steam all over the country out here either.

But you folks should be glad to know... your paying for t posts and fence to keep us out and on the trail and fire trucks to put all this "nothing" out if it catches fire.... LOL

Yep. If they are lucky enough to win the right at auction to pay for a lease, then you get to ask for a permit to drill. If the the environmental impact study comes back good they might grant the permit after you pay your bond. You want to sell part of your lease to someone else? We might say yes, we might say no. It never ends...

And Hey! That lightning is destructive!

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Yep. If they are lucky enough to win the right at auction to pay for a lease, then you get to ask for a permit to drill. If the the environmental impact study comes back good they might grant the permit after you pay your bond. You want to sell part of your lease to someone else? We might say yes, we might say no. It never ends...

And Hey! That lightning is destructive!

Scott...I've seen local Fire Departments chase grass fires 7 miles wide pushing 20 miles and hour with volunteers in OK do better job that a bunch of BLM fire crews with choppers and air support. We had a 2 acre lighting fire I could see from the house turn into a 2 week ordeal last summer here... but it was finally put out with official federal effectivness. If you knew what YOUR paying for out here you'd be sick. I did not "get it" until I moved here....

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

No, he's violating a court order.
When he wins his case in court I'll back him.

You do realize that the courts are staffed by Feds and the Feds are the ones pursuing this man, don't you? I mean, it's not like politicians and attorneys are the most ethical members of society.

 

[Hobbes]

You do realize that the courts are staffed by Feds and the Feds are the ones pursuing this man, don't you? I mean, it's not like politicians and attorneys are the most ethical members of society.

What do you propose? Everybody makes their own laws and do what they want?
The best solution is the one Jeff mentioned. The state wins its case in court, as other states have, and he can pay his grazing fee to the state.
Although, part of his defense is his familial historic ties to the land so he might object to paying the state as well.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Anyone who thinks that our local LE officers won't side with the Feds in armed confrontations with citizens need to look at some of the videos coming out of this.

Clark County (Las Vegas) is a bastion of out of work Californians and New Jersey mobsters plus a smattering of gays, weirdos, Harry Reid and other assorted dates and nuts. Reno has a few too... but they vote Republican...

If the airport and highway closed down there the daily average population would drop a solid 30%.... the place is a place to spend money... and it houses the folks who like to fleece you for it. The rest of this state is EMPTY, and rural... we ship more hay out of here than any thing else. I cant think of 10 towns with more that 10,000 people outside the Reno Metro in an area 1/3 the size of Texas.

They elected a County Sheriff who's not exactly "conservative" or "up on the Consitution", if I can be polite. He won't back the play here---he's in bed with the liberals and would like to keep his job. Clark County is generally regarded by the rest of Nevada as a pain in the keister... they suck the taxes out of the rest of the state and are generally resented by the folks in the North, especially the weak sister, Reno.

Local media is following this from a much different angle that the National media is using.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

What do you propose? Everybody makes their own laws and do what they want?
The best solution is the one Jeff mentioned. The state wins its case in court, as other states have, and he can pay his grazing fee to the state.
Although, part of his defense is his familial historic ties to the land so he might object to paying the state as well.

He doesnt object to paying local government. That's the point. Right now with the current administration ( and we got stonewalled by Clinton and Carter) we would never get a hearing from an upper court while the current regeim is in place.

Just to get in my daily dose of prick.. OK was a territory and your family has been there since territory days. Were they entitled to whatever land they were allowed to claim? Or did they buy in from some one who was granted title by the government? Yea... it's a sticky wicket. Nevada's opinion is the land is the property of a ratified state and when stathood was granted all real estate became part of the State.

Free range is still part of the law here... the state allows it on the lands they do own... and the fees pay for the costs . BLM fees go right to Washington DC for land we cannot farm, mine, develop or tax. I hear BLM is making a grab for a chunk of Texas and running some ranchers off their land... how is that working for ya?

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

What do you propose? Everybody makes their own laws and do what they want?
The best solution is the one Jeff mentioned. The state wins its case in court, as other states have, and he can pay his grazing fee to the state.
Although, part of his defense is his familial historic ties to the land so he might object to paying the state as well.

I propose the population backing Bundy effectively nullifying the court's decision. I understand your concerns about anarchy, but at what point do the people say enough?