Ruger discontinuing the Mini 14 ????

[liliysdad]

The Mini fills a niche... I just dont know what the hell it is.

Its not as accurate as the AR, and regardless of what everyone says, its no more reliable. My experience, in fact, tells me they are far less reliable than a QUALITY AR. Magazines are expensive, ergonomics are TERRIBLE, and even with the "improved" Ranch Rifle, optics are a pain.

The AR suffers from the same malady as the 1911. Everyone judges the price on the high end gun, but bases the reliability on the cheapest POS.

 

[Republicanhack]

ill be able to speak with more experience after i get to shoot mine. i have a problem with getting rid of anything that doesnt impress me after one range session.

 

[USSWaddell]

I have two Ruger Mini-14 and two Colt AR-15 rifles. One AR is a M4 config and one Mini is a factory folder. One AR is a sniper config and one Mini is a sniper config. All are great rifles and I would not hesitate using any of them in a life or death situation. None of them qualify as a pos.

 

[dennishoddy]

3-5 moa for muzzleloaders is not acceptable for me

Me either.

This is what my mz will shoot

 

[Hooker]

Every firearm ever made is a POS when used outside of it's spectrum of ability to preform. I have a Mini 30 it is no tack driver, it is how ever ultimately reliable and will manage 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 groups with good ammo. Hunting whitetails in the thick saw briars and brush of southeastern Oklahoma it will not take second place to any rifle made. When I hear folks belittle the mini it makes me wonder what foolishness they have been up to with the little carbine. If you like to punch tiny holes in paper or hunt the wheat fields and wide open spaces the mini is probably not for you. But If you need a close quarters reliable weapon that wont break the bank, the mini fits the bill.

Pat

 

[aeropb]

This thread makes me wanna say:

M14/M1A: Clunky, heavy, and overpowered. Essentially a Garand tarted up with a removable magazine, in a half-baked attempt to adapt a 19th century rifle design philosophy to the mid-20th century. Most often named as favorite infantry rifle by people who never had to hump a 10-pound wood-stocked rifle with lots of sharp protrusions and no collapsible anything on a three day exercise, or try to make it through a firefight with the standard battle load of five 20-round magazines.

AK-47: Crude and inaccurate bullet thrower designed by and for illiterate peasants. Chambered in a caliber that manages to cut the ballistics of a proper .30-caliber battle rifle in half without passing on any weight savings to the grunt. Ergonomics only suitable for Russian midgets. Archaic cable trigger spring, crummy sights, no sight radius to speak of, no bolt hold-open device, and a clumsy safety. Favorite infantry rifle of Middle Eastern goat herders, guys named Abdullah, and backwoods militia types who like the fact that it shoots cheap ammo and has ballistics like their familiar .30-30.

H&K G-3/HK-91: Ergonomics of a railroad tie. No bolt release, and a locking system that requires three men and a mule to work the cocking handle. Fluted chamber that mauls brass, and violent bolt motion that dings the brass that didn’t get mauled too badly by the chamber. Stamped sheet metal construction, yet just as heavy as a milled steel M14. Safety lever that requires unnaturally long thumbs, and a trigger pull that feels like dragging a piano across a gravel road with your index finger. Favorite infantry rifle of Cold War nostalgics and third world commandos.

M-16/AR-15: Underpowered varmint rifle burdened by a crummy magazine design. Nasty direct-impingement gas system that poops where it eats. High sight line, flimsy alloy-and-plastic construction. Generally favored by range commandos, tactical disciples, military vets who have never fired anything else for comparison, and Brownells addicts who a.) enjoy spending three times the cost on the rifle on bolt-on accoutrements, and b.) never have to use their rifle away from a dry, sunny range.

G-36: Flimsy plastic rifle with non-user adjustable fair-weather optics that fog up when a gnat farts in front of them. Magazines that take up twice as much pouch space than others in the same caliber because of the "clever" coupling nubs on the magazine housing. Skeleton folding stock that is about as suitable for butt-stroking as a plastic mess spork. Twice as expensive as other rifles in its class because of the "HK" logo on the receiver. Preferred infantry rifle of SWAT cops, and soldiers whose militaries haven’t been in shooting conflicts since the 1940s.

Glock: Butt-ugly plastic shooting appliance with the ergonomics of a caulking gun. Five-pound trigger with no external safety makes it ill-suited for its target market (cops who shoot a hundred rounds a year for qualification). Favored by gangbangers because the product name is short and rhymes with other short, rap-friendly words.

Beretta 92F/M9: Clunky and overweight rip-off of a clunky and overweight German design from the 1930s. Shear-happy locking block, ergonomics that are only suited for linebackers, barely adequate sights that are partially non-replaceable, and low capacity for its size. Favored by Eighties action movie fanatics and John Woo freaks.

1911: Overweight and overly complex piece of late 19th century technology. Low capacity, useless sights in stock form, and a field-stripping procedure that requires three hands. Favored by people who are at the cutting edge of handgun technology and combat shooting…of the 1960s.

H&K P7: Wildly overpriced, heavy for its size, low capacity in most iterations, and blessed with a finish that rusts if you give the gun a moist glance. Gas tube has a tendency to roast the trigger finger after a box or two of ammo at the range. Favored by gun snobs who think that paying twice as much for half the rounds means four times the fighting skill.

SIG Sauer: Top-heavy bricks with the rust resistance of an untreated iron nail at the bottom of a bucket of saltwater. Ergonomically sound, if you have size XXL mitts. Some minor parts made in Germany, so the manufacturer can charge 75% Teutonic Gnome Magic premium. Favored by Jack Bauer fans and wannabe Sky Marshals/Secret Service agents.


S&W Revolvers: Archaic hand weapons from a bygone era, the missing link between flintlocks and autoloaders. Low capacity, and reloading requires a lunch break. Heavy for their capacity, unless you’re talking about airweight snubbies, which hurt as much on the giving end as they do on the receiving end. Rare stoppages, but few malfunctions that don’t require gunsmith services, which are hard to come by in a gunfight. Favored by crusty old farts who just now got around to trusting newfangled smokeless powder, and Dirty Harry fans with unrealistic ideas about the power of Magnum rounds vs. engine blocks.

SMLE/Enfield: Refinement of a 19th century blackpowder design. Weapon of choice for militaries who either couldn’t afford Mausers, or had ideological hangups about Kraut rifles. Rimlock-prone cartridge that only barely classifies as a battle rifle round because of blackpowder derivation and insufficient lock strength of the platform. Favored by Canadians with WWII nostalgia, and people who think that semi-auto rifles are a passing fad.

Browning HP: Fragile frame designed around a popgun round. Near-useless safety in stock form that’s only suitable for the thumbs of elementary schoolers. Strangest and most circuitous way to trip a sear ever put into a handgun. Favored by wannabe SAS commandos, wannabe mercenaries, and Anglophiles who think that hammer-down, chamber-empty carry is the most appropriate way to carry a defensive sidearm.

Benelli shotguns: Plastic boutique scatterguns made by people with the martial acumen of dairy cows. Hideously expensive, and therefore popular with police agencies that get their equipment financed by tax dollars.

FN FAL: Long and lightweight receiver that’s impossible to scope properly. Overpowered round, twenty-round magazines that run dry in a blink, and an overall weapon length that’s only suitable for Napoleonic line infantry, but utterly useless for airborne and armored infantry. Made by Belgians, a nation with a military history that is limited to waving German divisions through at the border. Favored by Falklands veterans, Commonwealth fanboys, and people who think that dial-a-recoil gas systems are the epitome of infantry technology.

 

[fishn&huntn]

what exactly do you like? anything? LOL

 

[Peace_Maker]

Every firearm ever made is a POS when used outside of it's spectrum of ability to preform. I have a Mini 30 it is no tack driver, it is how ever ultimately reliable and will manage 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 groups with good ammo. Hunting whitetails in the thick saw briars and brush of southeastern Oklahoma it will not take second place to any rifle made. When I hear folks belittle the mini it makes me wonder what foolishness they have been up to with the little carbine. If you like to punch tiny holes in paper or hunt the wheat fields and wide open spaces the mini is probably not for you. But If you need a close quarters reliable weapon that wont break the bank, the mini fits the bill.

Pat

If your talking 1 1/2 groups are you talking at 100 yards or 10 yards? If your talking at 100 then that's great accuracy for a semiautomatic rifle and especially for a Ruger mini. If minis shot even 2 MOA consistently I'd own a 14 and a 30, unfortunately they do not. I should rephrase some of my earlier statements the mini is not a POS but it's accuracy is ****ty especially for it's price.

Make a 2 MOA or better .223 carbine or rifle based off the Garand operating system that takes AR mags and I'll sell all my AR's and buy two in a heart beat.

 

[aeropb]

what exactly do you like? anything? LOL

its a joke!

 

[fishn&huntn]

its a joke!

there was quite a bit of truth in that joke. its been a bitter battle in the mini thread today. i like them all even with the faults