Sarah Palin for Senator

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It's because their own party actively works against them during the primaries. Look at what they did to Ron Paul. If an actual conservative does manage to nab the nomination we'll see people beat feet to the polls just like they did with Reagan.

If someone like Ron Paul wins the nomination, they will beat feet to the polls to vote for the other person. Someone like Palin stands a real chance with all but low info voters and far lefties.
 

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Hold on - if your theory is that conservative voters just want someone who is conservative and they are tired of moderates like McCain and Romney, how do you explain their primary victories? If conservative voters just want someone who's conservative and will turn out in droves to vote for someone who runs a "conservative" campaign, why didn't Huckabee win in 2008? Why didn't anyone other than Romney win in 2012? I mean, McCain and Romney were the most moderate candidates in their respective primary fields, and they both won easily.

That line of thinking makes no sense whatsoever.

It's because their own party actively works against them during the primaries. Look at what they did to Ron Paul. If an actual conservative does manage to nab the nomination we'll see people beat feet to the polls just like they did with Reagan.


First of all, what I put in bold of your comment above is NOT what I originally said. My statement was that when the presidential candidates campaign on conservative principles, they win. It isn't just the conservatives that decide the election. (See below about the Battleground poll.)

As for the Republican Party hierarchy, they ARE moderate just like McCain and Romney. Only recently has there been a sign that they "might" be turning a bit toward the wishes of the conservative side of the party, and that was the decision to exclude CNN and NBC from debates if they run the Hillary documentary and movie. But, only time will tell if they still end up caving to the moderates that think they know what it takes to win.

For the most part, the overall populace tends to be more conservative than liberal, based on polls like the Battleground poll that is taken regularly. One of the questions that ALWAYS is in their polls is (roughly stated here): Do you consider yourself to be 1. Conservative; 2. Somewhat Conservative; 3. Moderate; 4. Somewhat Liberal; 5. Liberal. For more than 20 years, that question has yielded the statistic that people that chose "Conservative" and "Somewhat Conservative" amounted to around 60%, give or take a point or two.

Basically, McCain and Romney are the moderates and they both lost. During the 2008 election, Palin was drawing larger and more energized crowds than McCain and that really irked McCain's moderate handlers. In fact, Palin's crowds compared closer to what Obama had with respect to size.

Also, don't forget the effects of the Tea Party movement in the 2010 elections when the Republicans retook the house, several governorships, and also 600-plus legislative seats from the Democrats. While the Tea Party rallies were driven by conservatism, the conservatives were not alone in the battle against then-President Obama's agenda for fiscal reform and health reform. Note also that the media is NOT covering events like the Tea Party rallies because they don't want the rest of the country to know of them and distract from Obama and the Democrats.

What is wrong with the Republican Party is that it allows itself to be defined and directed by the Dems and the media. How many of those entities have been out there recently "telling the Republicans what they need to do to be able to win elections?" Does anyone really believe that the Dems and the media REALLY want to help the Republicans?

For the first time in our lives, we donated a bit of money to the Republican Party this last time in an effort to help defeat Obama. It certainly wasn't to help elect Romney, although he would have been a better choice. They still try to get us to donate again and we keep telling them that when the Republican Party becomes more conservative and less moderate, we might. Otherwise, any donations will go to more conservative candidates.
 

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Palin may be hot...but big deal, there's plenty of hot chicks running around. She may be smart, she may be dumb. She may have some good ideas. One thing I'm sure of is that she is absolutely polarizing and has the effect of mobilizing and motivating our opposition to get out and vote more than she would motivate the conservatives and the undecideds. THAT is a huge negative.

She is played out and should stick to making $$$ on the speaking/book circuit.
 

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First of all, what I put in bold of your comment above is NOT what I originally said. My statement was that when the presidential candidates campaign on conservative principles, they win. It isn't just the conservatives that decide the election. (See below about the Battleground poll.)

As for the Republican Party hierarchy, they ARE moderate just like McCain and Romney. Only recently has there been a sign that they "might" be turning a bit toward the wishes of the conservative side of the party, and that was the decision to exclude CNN and NBC from debates if they run the Hillary documentary and movie. But, only time will tell if they still end up caving to the moderates that think they know what it takes to win.

For the most part, the overall populace tends to be more conservative than liberal, based on polls like the Battleground poll that is taken regularly. One of the questions that ALWAYS is in their polls is (roughly stated here): Do you consider yourself to be 1. Conservative; 2. Somewhat Conservative; 3. Moderate; 4. Somewhat Liberal; 5. Liberal. For more than 20 years, that question has yielded the statistic that people that chose "Conservative" and "Somewhat Conservative" amounted to around 60%, give or take a point or two.

Basically, McCain and Romney are the moderates and they both lost. During the 2008 election, Palin was drawing larger and more energized crowds than McCain and that really irked McCain's moderate handlers. In fact, Palin's crowds compared closer to what Obama had with respect to size.

Also, don't forget the effects of the Tea Party movement in the 2010 elections when the Republicans retook the house, several governorships, and also 600-plus legislative seats from the Democrats. While the Tea Party rallies were driven by conservatism, the conservatives were not alone in the battle against then-President Obama's agenda for fiscal reform and health reform. Note also that the media is NOT covering events like the Tea Party rallies because they don't want the rest of the country to know of them and distract from Obama and the Democrats.

What is wrong with the Republican Party is that it allows itself to be defined and directed by the Dems and the media. How many of those entities have been out there recently "telling the Republicans what they need to do to be able to win elections?" Does anyone really believe that the Dems and the media REALLY want to help the Republicans?

For the first time in our lives, we donated a bit of money to the Republican Party this last time in an effort to help defeat Obama. It certainly wasn't to help elect Romney, although he would have been a better choice. They still try to get us to donate again and we keep telling them that when the Republican Party becomes more conservative and less moderate, we might. Otherwise, any donations will go to more conservative candidates.

Great post.
 

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I can visualize in my mind's eye Palin out by the pool, rubbing on coconut based suntan oil as she listens to the voter precincts reporting on the radio. The suntan - unmarred by bikini strap lines...
 

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Someone like Palin stands a real chance with all but low info voters and far lefties.

Since "low info voters" are a majority of the electorate...she stands no chance whatsoever. Neither does Ron Paul.

The elecorate wants to vote themselves generous gifts from the treasury. Whoever promises that will rule.
 

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