SCOTUS Healthcare Ruling

[Glocktogo]

Target remains, I repeat, target remains...

 

[ignerntbend]

That's my understanding...it's all going to be done through the tax code. If you don't have a valid, qualifying, insurance policy, you pay a higher tax. Mandate to some, tax to others.

That's what it looks like.

 

[tntrex]

That's my understanding...it's all going to be done through the tax code. If you don't have a valid, qualifying, insurance policy, you pay a higher tax. Mandate to some, tax to others.

So is the real winner here the insurance companies? Did we ever get it to where they can sell policies across state borders etc?

 

[vdub]

What the President said in public statements is irelevent.

The administrations lawyers argued in court that it was a tax...and the court agreed with that argument. The court didn't change the law to make it a tax, they agreed with the administration's argument that it should be defined as a tax...and was therefore within the scope of Congress' authority.

Scary thing is what else will decide to pass and deem a tax now?

Actually the lawyers argued that it was a tax in one set of argument and that it was not a tax in another set of arguments. Talk about covering your bases.

Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won.

 

[inactive]

That's my understanding...it's all going to be done through the tax code. If you don't have a valid, qualifying, insurance policy, you pay a higher tax. Mandate to some, tax to others.

Yup.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...xplained-in-1-paragraph-on-scotusblog/259097/

In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

 

[VIKING]

If what they are saying that 2/3 of the public is against the health care act then I hope it all comes back to bite the POS in November.

 

[338Shooter]

 

[Mos Eisley]

Did you feel it? Did you feel some of your freedom getting sucked out that open door?

 

[WFT]

So is the real winner here the insurance companies? Did we ever get it to where they can sell policies across state borders etc?

The real winner is the Federal Government and the current administrations desire to take control of every aspect of your life. I predict in 4 years everyone will be on government healthcare, Either your company will drop their healthcare package completely, or make it so bad the governments will be the better option. IT'S SCARY PEOPLE! IF you've ever set at the VA waiting for a doctor, then you have an idea of what it will be like. Hope I'm wrong....

 

[Glocktogo]

If what they are saying that 2/3 of the public is against the health care act then I hope it all comes back to bite the POS in November.

Yep! The people are so outraged that Obama shoved a healt care mandate down their throats, they'll absolutely jump ship and vote for the candidate who didn't sign a health care bill into law. Now which candidate would that be, hmmm? Hint, hint, it's not Mittens!