Thank you Senator McCain for killing Obamacare repeal.

[dennishoddy]

Probably at his house. You know McCain is a scumbag. A career politician that cares only for himself. He needs to retire and stop screwing the American people. I guarantee even on his deathbed the piece of crap won't retire. He don't want to give that power up

Agree he is a Rino, but I'm glad that he and the other two senators voted no on that bill.
I don't want the fawking government in my health care.
We are going to end up just like that little baby in Great Britain where a court decided on the care that baby would get and the parents had to fight the courts, and not the health care.
Sarah Palins Death Panels are not far away.

 

[Glocktogo]

I KNOW. That's why it baffles me that you would hold the GOPs feet to the fire for so long but since around last February you've been their friggin cheerleader. Can you not see how one could come to that "illogical assertion"?

Are you kidding me? I'd dump 85% of the GOP in DC in a landfill and never look back. Just because I'd dump 101% of the Dems in DC in the same landfill and 99.8% of their replacements as well, does not equate to me carrying GOP water now. What I've observed since February is a coordinated assault on the executive branch to the detriment of the United States. Complaining about Trump's tweets and personal demeanor is one thing. Literally undermining the entire White House 24/7 for months is something entirely different. The Democrats and Media are currently engaged in the biggest game of hypocrisy in US history. It's so epic that the word hypocrisy is utterly inadequate to describe it. There isn't a word in the English language to describe what we're witnessing. Anyone engaged in this exercise is unAmerican and if they're breaking the law to further it, they're a traitor IMO.

I've been here since '08 and never put anyone on Ignore unless they price gouged during a scare. The vitriol and outright hatefulness since Trump got elected got so out of hand that I wholesale banned a bunch of them from my feed and you know what? I've been so much happer here since I did. You're one of the few voices of dissent I didn't ban you because your MO isn't gloating, dishonest, outright hateful and in a lot of cases, flat out retarded. You can hold an intelligent discussion and even if we disagree, I appreciate that.

Don't however mistake my condemnation of the current liberal scam as an endorsement of the GOP. Most of them would sell out the country in favor of the party. The Democrats already do that wholesale, but the GOP isn't all that far behind them.

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

You can't deny it pal. You fail again with your no link rhetoric. LOL.

Dude, just when I thought you could not get anymore ridiculous. You want a link to something that never happened. Brilliant!

 

[Ace_on_the_Turn]

Are you kidding me? I'd dump 85% of the GOP in DC in a landfill and never look back. Just because I'd dump 101% of the Dems in DC in the same landfill and 99.8% of their replacements as well, does not equate to me carrying GOP water now. What I've observed since February is a coordinated assault on the executive branch to the detriment of the United States. Complaining about Trump's tweets and personal demeanor is one thing. Literally undermining the entire White House 24/7 for months is something entirely different. The Democrats and Media are currently engaged in the biggest game of hypocrisy in US history. It's so epic that the word hypocrisy is utterly inadequate to describe it. There isn't a word in the English language to describe what we're witnessing. Anyone engaged in this exercise is unAmerican and if they're breaking the law to further it, they're a traitor IMO.

I've been here since '08 and never put anyone on Ignore unless they price gouged during a scare. The vitriol and outright hatefulness since Trump got elected got so out of hand that I wholesale banned a bunch of them from my feed and you know what? I've been so much happer here since I did. You're one of the few voices of dissent I didn't ban you because your MO isn't gloating, dishonest, outright hateful and in a lot of cases, flat out retarded. You can hold an intelligent discussion and even if we disagree, I appreciate that.

Don't however mistake my condemnation of the current liberal scam as an endorsement of the GOP. Most of them would sell out the country in favor of the party. The Democrats already do that wholesale, but the GOP isn't all that far behind them.

It's very simple, you can't handle the truth. What's unAmerican is your utter devotion to a man, who is not in any way deserving of that devotion, has led you to become an apologist for a cretin.

 

[sanjuro893]

Are you kidding me? I'd dump 85% of the GOP in DC in a landfill and never look back. Just because I'd dump 101% of the Dems in DC in the same landfill and 99.8% of their replacements as well, does not equate to me carrying GOP water now. What I've observed since February is a coordinated assault on the executive branch to the detriment of the United States. Complaining about Trump's tweets and personal demeanor is one thing. Literally undermining the entire White House 24/7 for months is something entirely different. The Democrats and Media are currently engaged in the biggest game of hypocrisy in US history. It's so epic that the word hypocrisy is utterly inadequate to describe it. There isn't a word in the English language to describe what we're witnessing. Anyone engaged in this exercise is unAmerican and if they're breaking the law to further it, they're a traitor IMO.

I've been here since '08 and never put anyone on Ignore unless they price gouged during a scare. The vitriol and outright hatefulness since Trump got elected got so out of hand that I wholesale banned a bunch of them from my feed and you know what? I've been so much happer here since I did. You're one of the few voices of dissent I didn't ban you because your MO isn't gloating, dishonest, outright hateful and in a lot of cases, flat out retarded. You can hold an intelligent discussion and even if we disagree, I appreciate that.

Don't however mistake my condemnation of the current liberal scam as an endorsement of the GOP. Most of them would sell out the country in favor of the party. The Democrats already do that wholesale, but the GOP isn't all that far behind them.

I hear you what you're saying. I respect your opinion and appreciate the fact that you're not rude, hateful or antagonistic as well and you keep the vitriol and sarcasm to a minimum. Hopefully the following won't add me to your ignore list.
I agree that democrats are more openly anti gun and do despicable things like pandering to minorities and I completely agree about the media being absolutely hypocritical. I take most of what I hear on any channel with a huge block of salt. But the GOP is not the same party it was when I was a kid or even the same party it was 15- 20 yrs ago and too many people on this forum go around thinking an R next to somebody's name means they can do no wrong and will go to extreme lengths to defend them even when they're just as liberal and authoritarian as the left. They've taken anti-gun positions, anti-property positions, anti-4th amendment positions and I won't swap one group of ******** just to replace it with another, regardless of how "not as much as the democrats" they are. Hell, the title of this thread holds McCain to account for his vote and people are still defending him! Trump started off his campaign with REPEAL THE ACA, then in the latter half of the campaign it became REPEAL AND REPLACE. His book he wrote many years ago supports gun control. He went to the NRA during the campaign to get them to increase background checks. That right there should tell you he's not Barry f---ing Goldwater. I do my best to leave emotions out of subjects like this but sometimes I don't do that very well and seeing people who identify as conservative support a party that has changed SO MUCH into something I can't even recognize frustrates the hell out of me. I don't mean to lump you into any group, I try to stay focused on what YOU as an individual say and it's very possible I may not be giving you and JD8 enough credit. But I see a lot of so-called conservatives selling out their principles to support a man and a party that has gotten FAR away from its roots. I don't think pointing that out is disingenuous at all. In fact, I'd rather put in my 2 cents from the "peanut gallery" or the "cheap seats" than join the neo-cons who have diet-socialist leanings that run the GOP.

 

[JD8]

Sanjuro, my reference to the "cheap seats" is a demographic that comes on here and contributes virtually nothing to the shooting/firearm related discussion. Yet, they seemingly are here for only reason, to perpetually antagonize and or to try and reaffirm apologist rhetoric from the left. Real account or fake, they have nothing to add except mindless bullshyt. When I comment I'm not referring to yourself, as you can reference Ace if you want a good example of what I'm speaking of.

 

[Shadowrider]

I hear you what you're saying. I respect your opinion and appreciate the fact that you're not rude, hateful or antagonistic as well and you keep the vitriol and sarcasm to a minimum. Hopefully the following won't add me to your ignore list.
I agree that democrats are more openly anti gun and do despicable things like pandering to minorities and I completely agree about the media being absolutely hypocritical. I take most of what I hear on any channel with a huge block of salt. But the GOP is not the same party it was when I was a kid or even the same party it was 15- 20 yrs ago and too many people on this forum go around thinking an R next to somebody's name means they can do no wrong and will go to extreme lengths to defend them even when they're just as liberal and authoritarian as the left. They've taken anti-gun positions, anti-property positions, anti-4th amendment positions and I won't swap one group of ******** just to replace it with another, regardless of how "not as much as the democrats" they are. Hell, the title of this thread holds McCain to account for his vote and people are still defending him! Trump started off his campaign with REPEAL THE ACA, then in the latter half of the campaign it became REPEAL AND REPLACE. His book he wrote many years ago supports gun control. He went to the NRA during the campaign to get them to increase background checks. That right there should tell you he's not Barry f---ing Goldwater. I do my best to leave emotions out of subjects like this but sometimes I don't do that very well and seeing people who identify as conservative support a party that has changed SO MUCH into something I can't even recognize frustrates the hell out of me. I don't mean to lump you into any group, I try to stay focused on what YOU as an individual say and it's very possible I may not be giving you and JD8 enough credit. But I see a lot of so-called conservatives selling out their principles to support a man and a party that has gotten FAR away from its roots. I don't think pointing that out is disingenuous at all. In fact, I'd rather put in my 2 cents from the "peanut gallery" or the "cheap seats" than join the neo-cons who have diet-socialist leanings that run the GOP.

I'll agree with you for the most part. The democratic party is extinct as we knew it as little as 15 or 20 years ago. I've said it many times, "if JFK were here today, what party would his positions most align with?" That would be the GOP of today. The dims have went full on communist and the GOP has slid right into the DNC's seat IMO. Meanwhile the media is pulling the strings and dictating the issues that the DNC is to address each day, so they are the puppet masters of the DNC. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary even though I liked what he was doing and the affect it was having, I elected to vote for someone that I thought more philosophically aligned with me. But I was satisfied that if he were to win I could vote for him in the general because he was drawing the ire of both parties and playing the media like a fiddle. That alone was worth pulling that lever.

All that said we still have to vote for someone or just not participate. The choice boils down to a bad or less bad option. I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water and bash them on everything single thing they do like some here, I will do that on only the things I don't agree with. Some just can't give credit even when they do agree because of something there is something they disagree with, they can't see the forest for the trees I guess.

And GTG is spot on again with the hypocrisy statement. The word doesn't do what they are doing justice and they are flat out un-American a$$wipes who I wish we could put on a boat to Venezuela or North Korea.

 

[Glocktogo]

I hear you what you're saying. I respect your opinion and appreciate the fact that you're not rude, hateful or antagonistic as well and you keep the vitriol and sarcasm to a minimum. Hopefully the following won't add me to your ignore list.
I agree that democrats are more openly anti gun and do despicable things like pandering to minorities and I completely agree about the media being absolutely hypocritical. I take most of what I hear on any channel with a huge block of salt. But the GOP is not the same party it was when I was a kid or even the same party it was 15- 20 yrs ago and too many people on this forum go around thinking an R next to somebody's name means they can do no wrong and will go to extreme lengths to defend them even when they're just as liberal and authoritarian as the left. They've taken anti-gun positions, anti-property positions, anti-4th amendment positions and I won't swap one group of ******** just to replace it with another, regardless of how "not as much as the democrats" they are. Hell, the title of this thread holds McCain to account for his vote and people are still defending him! Trump started off his campaign with REPEAL THE ACA, then in the latter half of the campaign it became REPEAL AND REPLACE. His book he wrote many years ago supports gun control. He went to the NRA during the campaign to get them to increase background checks. That right there should tell you he's not Barry f---ing Goldwater. I do my best to leave emotions out of subjects like this but sometimes I don't do that very well and seeing people who identify as conservative support a party that has changed SO MUCH into something I can't even recognize frustrates the hell out of me. I don't mean to lump you into any group, I try to stay focused on what YOU as an individual say and it's very possible I may not be giving you and JD8 enough credit. But I see a lot of so-called conservatives selling out their principles to support a man and a party that has gotten FAR away from its roots. I don't think pointing that out is disingenuous at all. In fact, I'd rather put in my 2 cents from the "peanut gallery" or the "cheap seats" than join the neo-cons who have diet-socialist leanings that run the GOP.

Absolutely not!


You may or may not know this, but a few years back I decided to see what it might take to effect a change in the GOP from the grass roots. I went to the county party meetings. I got myself elected as a district chairperson. I got myself appointed to the platform committee and made several changes to the county platform that strengthened the stated support of gun rights. Some of those changes made their way into the state platform and I even went to the annual state meeting as a delegate.

The experience was NOT pleasant. What I observed was a system run by people who were very much intent on injecting religion into government to every extent possible, and that was the primary objective for many of them. I observed “leaders” in the party who would ignore the written GOP platform AND the COTUS if it meant more “law and order”, so-called patriotism and furthered the interests of the Chamber of Commerce (the secondary objective), along with a heaping dose of sanctimony. Other than the one other poor schlep who was there for the same reasons I was, these were people I wouldn’t want to spend any more time around than necessary. Now if it was that bad being around Republicans who at least pretended to conservative patriots, imagine how bad it would be with Democrats who don't!

Even if I was retired and had all the time in the world, I’m not sure I could tolerate that much BS in my life again. So I think you and I may think a lot more alike than not. My defense of Trump has less than nothing to do with my opinion of the man, which is actually pretty dim. It has everything to do with who he’s not, which is one of “them”. So whether it’s DJT or Kid Rock or some wino from under an overpass, I’d pretty much side with anyone who isn’t one of them. Those people are going to make tomorrow and all the days after that even worse than the days they’ve darkened since Ronnie Ray Gun was in the WH. We haven’t yet begun to see how dark they can make it.

 

[dennishoddy]

Brilliant!

Thank you for calling me brilliant!
It must be rough to try and back up your false comments about gun control. No, he didn't get any legislation passed while in office although he tried every chance he got as my links proved.
He was extremely anti-gun/2A while in office.
But he was smart enough to know that was a battle he and his party would lose, and eventually it wasn't what cost the Democratic Party the White House and congress.


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[sanjuro893]

Sanjuro, my reference to the "cheap seats" is a demographic that comes on here and contributes virtually nothing to the shooting/firearm related discussion. Yet, they seemingly are here for only reason, to perpetually antagonize and or to try and reaffirm apologist rhetoric from the left. Real account or fake, they have nothing to add except mindless bullshyt. When I comment I'm not referring to yourself, as you can reference Ace if you want a good example of what I'm speaking of.

I'll agree with you for the most part. The democratic party is extinct as we knew it as little as 15 or 20 years ago. I've said it many times, "if JFK were here today, what party would his positions most align with?" That would be the GOP of today. The dims have went full on communist and the GOP has slid right into the DNC's seat IMO. Meanwhile the media is pulling the strings and dictating the issues that the DNC is to address each day, so they are the puppet masters of the DNC. I didn't vote for Trump in the primary even though I liked what he was doing and the affect it was having, I elected to vote for someone that I thought more philosophically aligned with me. But I was satisfied that if he were to win I could vote for him in the general because he was drawing the ire of both parties and playing the media like a fiddle. That alone was worth pulling that lever.

All that said we still have to vote for someone or just not participate. The choice boils down to a bad or less bad option. I see no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water and bash them on everything single thing they do like some here, I will do that on only the things don't agree with. Some just can't give credit even when they do agree, they can't see the forest for the trees I guess.

And GTG is spot on again with the hypocrisy statement. The word doesn't do what they are doing justice and they are flat out un-American a$$wipes who I wish we could put on a boat to Venezuela or North Korea.

Absolutely not!


You may or may not know this, but a few years back I decided to see what it might take to effect a change in the GOP from the grass roots. I went to the county party meetings. I got myself elected as a district chairperson. I got myself appointed to the platform committee and made several changes to the county platform that strengthened the stated support of gun rights. Some of those changes made their way into the state platform and I even went to the annual state meeting as a delegate.

The experience was NOT pleasant. What I observed was a system run by people who were very much intent on injecting religion into government to every extent possible, and that was the primary objective for many of them. I observed “leaders” in the party who would ignore the written GOP platform AND the COTUS if it meant more “law and order”, so-called patriotism and furthered the interests of the Chamber of Commerce (the secondary objective), along with a heaping dose of sanctimony. Other than the one other poor schlep who was there for the same reasons I was, these were people I wouldn’t want to spend any more time around than necessary. Now if it was that bad being around Republicans who at least pretended to conservative patriots, imagine how bad it would be with Democrats who don't!

Even if I was retired and had all the time in the world, I’m not sure I could tolerate that much BS in my life again. So I think you and I may think a lot more alike than not. My defense of Trump has less than nothing to do with my opinion of the man, which is actually pretty dim. It has everything to do with who he’s not, which is one of “them”. So whether it’s DJT or Kid Rock or some wino from under an overpass, I’d pretty much side with anyone who isn’t one of them. Those people are going to make tomorrow and all the days after that even worse than the days they’ve darkened since Ronnie Ray Gun was in the WH. We haven’t yet begun to see how dark they can make it.

I dig it and I want ya'll to know I respect ya'll as people even if we don't see eye to eye. I just got really busy so I'll have to comment more later. But I leave you with this...