The fallacy of 'Behind every blade of grass' thinking

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rhodesbe

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The topic of America's ability to defend herself from invasion/occupation/foreign armies comes up from time to time. It was hinted around at in this current thread: http://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?143862-China-condemns-U.S.-gun-ownership-as-human-rights-violation/page2

Undoubtedly, someone always mentions a quote, attributed to Admiral Yamamoto during WWII: ""You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." (which incidentally, is a bogus attribution) The sentiment is that private gun ownership in America provides some function of national security, besides recreation and personal defense. I always wonder how much of this is jingoism, and how true it is.

I tend to think it provokes a false sense of security. I'm no conspiracy theorist, have no impression of clear and present danger, nor am I a new operator to this theater. However, when the 2nd A'ers rationalize an army of deer rifles as being a substantial threat to a foreign army, I think it is laughable.

No matter how many millions of rifles and billions or rounds of ammo are floating around the mainland US, the presumption that the folks holding them are skilled, disciplined, trained, and allied enough to deploy them in the name of self defense is a stretch. Looking at recent history, Iraqi insurgents had significant amounts of Class III combat weapons, high explosives, RPGs, and artillery shells at their disposal. Yet, they were not able to repel a trained and highly motivated American military. Since Americans are somewhat lesser armed than having those potent weapons, should we really expect semi automatic handguns and rifles are sufficient to hold a modern invading army at bay?

'Behind every blade of grass', maybe. A tangible source of defense? err, no. A properly equipped modern military might be harassed by armed resistance, but marginalizing the military value of those weapons wouldn't be difficult.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that all those guns and bullets amount to much. What do you think?
 

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Depends on what you are fighting.
I would be undergunned vs drug cartels, US paramilitary (CIA, FBI, etc), and about any foreign army (except Andorra's maybe).
But I bet some of these guys on here wouldn't .cough.dustingaunder.cough.

We are more at threat from DEA, ATF, FBI, CIA, DHS than any invasion force however.

I think that the Iraqis succeeded in their goal and will continue too with the weapons they have. We left didn't we and now Iraq is very unstable.
 

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He didn't say that but if someone were stupid enough to believe a bunch of dumbasses with small arms could put up anything even resembling a resistance against a modern military, they must not have any grasp of reality.
 

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A properly equipped modern military might be harassed by armed resistance, but marginalizing the military value of those weapons wouldn't be difficult.

If you had a Kristallnacht where half of the doors knocked on were met with gunfire, how do you think that would have played out instead?
 

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Really? Not unless you are a scumbag criminal or threat to national security.

JB, i actually think he is correct. Not because any of the .gov agencies are likely to show up, but because a threat from an external force is still more unlikely. It's like saying you're more likely to die in a plane crash than having space debris hit you. Neither is probable. but one is still more likely than the other.
 

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Looking at recent history, Iraqi insurgents had significant amounts of Class III combat weapons, high explosives, RPGs, and artillery shells at their disposal. Yet, they were not able to repel a trained and highly motivated American military. Since Americans are somewhat lesser armed than having those potent weapons, should we really expect semi automatic handguns and rifles are sufficient to hold a modern invading army at bay?

Actually, the Iraqis were able to put on a pretty healthy and effective insurgency for 5 or 6 years. The US military had to completely invent brand new COIN tactics to fight what they were presented with in that insurgency. From the Iraqi perspective, their insurgency "worked", as the foreign power that invaded is no longer there occupying.

Nobody would ever mistake a rag-tag patchwork of civlian US firearm owners for a trained and commanded military fighting force that would ever take on an invading army force-on-force. That same armed civilian populace, however, could put on insurgent and guerilla warfare very easily.
 

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If you had a Kristallnacht where half of the doors knocked on were met with gunfire, how do you think that would have played out instead?

That is a fair question. However, if that had been a concern during Kristallnacht, it might've just been dealt with via more attritive methods. IE: a division of tanks or JU87s or something...
 

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