Three Men Arrested After Buying Gun At Gun Show In OKC

[okiebryan]

...instead of ending private party sales, they should just end
non-FFL's from being able to rent a booth there and sell guns...problem
solved..

1) I'm not advocating that we end private party sales. and 2) what you propose is more of an infringement on free commerce of private property.

We need to find a way to ensure that each gun sold at a show is sold to someone who we know isn't a felon. It's a huge black eye on the gun community, and the BGs have figured out how to game the system.

 

[okiebryan]

If we're wanting to add more regulations, we're as bad as the anti's. This is like telling a rapist, "Ok, but will you use a condom?".

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin

No. It's not like that at all. Please tell me exactly how what I propose keeps law abiding citizens from buying whatever gun they want?

 

[kd5rjz]

No. It's not like that at all. Please tell me exactly how what I propose keeps law abiding citizens from buying whatever gun they want?

You're proposing 4473's for private sales. That's adding additional bureaucracy that interferes with our 2a rights.

To put it as simply as possible, and you may quote me on this if you like: "It's nobodies god damned business who I buy a gun from, how many guns I buy, or how many guns I carry. I'm not a criminal, and I should not be treated like one - It's a waste of my time to fill out a 4473 and wait on a phone call."

The more restrictions and paper trails we put in place, the easier it will be to round them all up. You can either be pro-2a, or against us. There is no middle ground.

 

[Glocktogo]

Can we stick to how best to keep felons from buying guns at gun shows? You have to admit that it's giving fuel to the antis argument. If we could fix this, we remove that card from their deck.

OK, the only way to effectively do this is to conduct a CHRC on every gun shpow attendee that doesn't present an FFL in their name. Anything else is pure crap designed to be spoon fed pabulum designed to soothe the savage masses.

Do you think that will fly?

 

[okiebryan]

You're proposing 4473's for private sales. That's adding additional bureaucracy that interferes with our 2a rights.

To put it as simply as possible, and you may quote me on this if you like: "It's nobodies god damned business who I buy a gun from, how many guns I buy, or how many guns I carry. I'm not a criminal, and I should not be treated like one - It's a waste of my time to fill out a 4473 and wait on a phone call."

The more restrictions and paper trails we put in place, the easier it will be to round them all up. You can either be pro-2a, or against us. There is no middle ground.

I'm proposing 4473s for private sales at gun shows. That doesn't prevent you from buying whatever you want outside of a gun show. I also propose going back to a 5 year SDA card so that licensees can completely bypass the 4473 at gun shows and gun stores.

 

[sh00ter]

I'm proposing 4473s for private sales at gun shows. That doesn't prevent you from buying whatever you want outside of a gun show. I also propose going back to a 5 year SDA card so that licensees can completely bypass the 4473 at gun shows and gun stores.

I'd only go for that for non-FFL's that had a booth...person to person should still be no 4473...too much hassel. Unless you wanted to do it like out of state private party sales where the gun must go through a dealer and him collect a fee to make sure the buyer is legit...still a hassel..I think a guy with 100 guns at a table at a gunshow who is not an FFL should be made to be an FFL...problem solved...then no new rules/laws except making sure a guy selling volume guns at a gunshow is a dealer...this is the "gunshow loophole" the media keeps referring to...My only fear is that person-to-person will also get lumped in with this and then I can't sell a gun to my cousin Slim...you get the idea???

Think about it...if criminals knew EVERY table selling guns at the gun show required a background check, then they would stop going to them...not many gangsters are smart enough to approach OSA people to buy while walking around at a gun show or much less a for sale ad...? You can't eliminate 100% of the problem, but you could do something to eliminate the "loophole" the media keeps touting and make us look good for pushing this idea, as well as stop many criminals from getting guns at gun shows in this manner?

 

[okiebryan]

OK, the only way to effectively do this is to conduct a CHRC on every gun shpow attendee that doesn't present an FFL in their name. Anything else is pure crap designed to be spoon fed pabulum designed to soothe the savage masses.

Do you think that will fly?

Sorry, I don't know what a CHRC is. And why would it be the only effective way to prevent felons from buying guns at a gun show?

 

[sh00ter]

Sorry, I don't know what a CHRC is. And why would it be the only effective way to prevent felons from buying guns at a gun show?

"felons"...this is a side argument probably best from another thread but why does a guy witha felony DUI on his record from 10yrs ago (because he could not afford a good attorney) deserve to go the rest of his life without the right to hunt or protect his home & family??? I am not a felon and I don't have a DUI nor any other record but I have heard this argument presented in the past and it makes sense to me. I think they need to have exclusions in the law for certain cases.

 

[okiebryan]

I'd only go for that for non-FFL's that had a booth...person to person should still be no 4473...too much hassel. Unless you wanted to do it like out of state private party sales where the gun must go through a dealer and him collect a fee to make sure the buyer is legit...still a hassel..I think a guy with 100 guns at a table at a gunshow who is not an FFL should be made to be an FFL...problem solved...then no new rules/laws except making sure a guy selling volume guns at a gunshow is a dealer...this is the "gunshow loophole" the media keeps referring to...My only fear is that person-to-person will also get lumped in with this and then I can't sell a gun to my cousin Slim...you get the idea???


Think about it...if criminals knew EVERY table selling guns at the gun show required a background check, then they would stop going to them...not many gangsters are smart enough to approach OSA people to buy while walking around at a gun show or much less a for sale ad...? You can't eliminate 100% of the problem, but you could do something to eliminate the "loophole" the media keeps touting and make us look good for pushing this idea, as well as stop many criminals from getting guns at gun shows in this manner?

That's exactly why I think we should get in front of this. If we let "them" do it, then you might be right. If WE proposed a bill in the Oklahoma legislature, then we get to say what the bill says...and any amendment that proposed banning ALL private sales would be soundly defeated. They have done this in Colorado, and private sales outside of a gun show are still no problem.

I agree that once the word got out that all gun sales at a gun show required a NICS check, criminals would stop coming to them.

I'd be really interested in talking to some gun people in Colorado and see what effect it had on their state.

 

[okiebryan]

Doing a little reading... Colorado set a max fee for these transfers at $10. It doesn't specify who pays this fee, buyer or seller.