Three Men Arrested After Buying Gun At Gun Show In OKC

[Zombie]

based on comments here I doubt many of you would "deal" with me. Especially in my run around every day attire, or based on how I talk. Or is it different because if you look at me my skin tone isn't of a blatantly different color? I wear baggy jeans, tattoos, earrings and "talk the talk" at times. I am seriously amazed at some of the comments in this thread, and even more so at what some of you are willing to give up. Fight for your damn rights people. How can you say Molon Labe and then agree to some of what you are voluntarily suggesting?

 

[uncle money bags]

I am admittedly one of the least diplomatic people i know so i may be out of my lane here, but why do those in favor of mandating nics checks at gun shows for all firearms transaction believe they are negotiating with people who are acting in good faith? The people who want to further regulate private sales of firearms will not be satisfied with your offer and will only use it as a step toward more regulation. They are very patient and determined in their pursuit to limit free peoples access to guns. Offering up this solution is a sign of weakness to them and encourages more of the same crap we are experiencing now.

 

[jakeman]

Criminals don't care about laws and will get what they want whether they buy it or steal it. I do not support background checks for private party sales, but I do support forcing the private party sellers that are selling hundreds of firearms a year to get a FFL. I have stopped letting a couple of guys set up at my show, just because I felt that they were very sketchy, I don't have any direct knowledge of wrong doing but I don't want to take a chance. I always say that trouble "splashes". It doesn't just affect the guy doing shady business, but causes trouble for anyone involved.

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Yes

 

[jakeman]

I am admittedly one of the least diplomatic people i know so i may be out of my lane here, but why do those in favor of mandating nics checks at gun shows for all firearms transaction believe they are negotiating with people who are acting in good faith? The people who want to further regulate private sales of firearms will not be satisfied with your offer and will only use it as a step toward more regulation. They are very patient and determined in their pursuit to limit free peoples access to guns. Offering up this solution is a sign of weakness to them and encourages more of the same crap we are experiencing now.

I know.

This is killing me. It is, but there are guys out there (not a bunch, I agree) selling hundreds of guns per year, and they don't care if they are selling them to someone that can legally possess them or not. That's a problem for all of us. I don't want felons to possess firearms, when members of the "gun community" sell them to them without a second thought, it's an issue for the "gun community" to address, or someone else will address it for us.

We ***** about people that don't know what a barrel shroud is writing legislation to ban barrel shrouds. No group knows firearms, or the business that surrounds firearms more so than the "gun community". I just think we should just make an effort to police ourselves, and tighten the perceived loophole, so it doesn't get jerked tight around our collective necks.

 

[Shootin 4 Fun]

As an FFL and business owner I like the idea of more NICS checks. As an American and citizen....**** that noise! Leave the 2A the hell alone and focus on fixing the real problems, sick kids and convicted felons not being rehabilitated before their release.

 

[uncle money bags]

I know.

This is killing me. It is, but there are guys out there (not a bunch, I agree) selling hundreds of guns per year, and they don't care if they are selling them to someone that can legally possess them or not. That's a problem for all of us. I don't want felons to possess firearms, when members of the "gun community" sell them to them without a second thought, it's an issue for the "gun community" to address, or someone else will address it for us.

We ***** about people that don't know what a barrel shroud is writing legislation to ban barrel shrouds. No group knows firearms, or the business that surrounds firearms more so than the "gun community". I just think we should just make an effort to police ourselves, and tighten the perceived loophole, so it doesn't get jerked tight around our collective necks.

If these individuals are not obeying the law by selling firearms in this manner without a FFL, then they should pay the price for their misdeeds, not me. They are already breaking the law. Turn their butts in, demand that people acting outside of the law be prosecuted. How does forcing me to do a nics check stop the guy who doesnt care who he sells to?

We can police ourselves without giving the other side more power than they already have. Tightening a "perceived" loophole with a very real law just seems very counter productive to me on several levels.

 

[farmerbyron]

I agree in principle with many of you guys about not giving an inch because the antis will try and take it farther. But pragmatism needs to win out here. It is very clear to me that we will not get out of the current predicament without some form of legislation. Does anyone feel really violated when they purchase from a dealer and they run a NICs check and then you walk out with your purchase?

I personally would much rather have to perform a NICs check for a private transaction than lose my ability for myself or children to own an AR. Now, we shouldn't come to the bargaining table with this idea or we will get screwed. We should shoot for the moon in the opposite direction as Feinstein and at the end of the day we could settle for restrictions that really aren't and say we compromised when we didn't have to give up a damn thing. Come to the bargaining table with loosening gun restrictions then at the 11th hour present a compromise of free NICs for private party transfers and let that be the end of it.

Again, I agree that none of this BS will prevent crime but neither will an AWB and if we stand uncompromising on principle, we are going to lose our asses. Let's be pragmatic and pretend like we gave up something when we really haven't.

Feel free to torch me but we are going to lose something this time and we better make sure what we lose is something we can tolerate or we're going to lose it all. I don't like it but it is what it is.

 

[Glocktogo]

This thread shows exactly why any effort to police our own community is going to be difficult. Any idea to stop a leak (guns to felons) is met with cries of hyperbole laced protests about how I'm selling us out and we can't give an inch, etc... but a good idea is a good idea.

Feel the need to repeat this and bold it just so there is no misunderstanding:
I do not propose banning private sales of firearms. I do propose requiring a NICS check on a buyer of ANY firearm at a gun show, and making the handgun license serve as a pass around this check.

I've since learned that the only reason that Oklahoma licenses don't bypass a NICS check is because we issue 10 year licenses. This means our licenses don't meet the Federal standards to bypass NICS. We would have to go back to 5 year only in order for our HG licenses to qualify to bypass NICS. That kinda complicates this issue.

So let me see if I have this straight. You want to legislate NICS checks for all transfers at gun shows? If this is correct, does this meaan within the confines of the building? The boundaries of the property, such as parking lots? How do you expect any of this to actually keep people from avoiding NICS checks at a gun show? Say I bring a gun in to sell as an individual, are you going to log my name and gun information and check everyone leaving the show to make sure I either leave with it, or cross reference it to a FFL form? How do you propose to ensure that I don't simply take the cash and hand it to someone else by the concessions stand? Also, whats to keep me from walking out with it and doing a deal at my car? Will gun shows have to post monitors in the parking lot? Or are you simply assuming that everyone will voluntarily comply with this requirement?

See, these are the things no one ever bothers to mention when discussing the gun show issue. This is no different than an AWB or magazine ban. It's unenforceable, easily avoided, will create a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners and does nothing to solve any real issues.

 

[870WingBlaster]

So let me see if I have this straight. You want to legislate NICS checks for all transfers at gun shows? If this is correct, does this meaan within the confines of the building? The boundaries of the property, such as parking lots? How do you expect any of this to actually keep people from avoiding NICS checks at a gun show? Say I bring a gun in to sell as an individual, are you going to log my name and gun information and check everyone leaving the show to make sure I either leave with it, or cross reference it to a FFL form? How do you propose to ensure that I don't simply take the cash and hand it to someone else by the concessions stand? Also, whats to keep me from walking out with it and doing a deal at my car? Will gun shows have to post monitors in the parking lot? Or are you simply assuming that everyone will voluntarily comply with this requirement?

See, these are the things no one ever bothers to mention when discussing the gun show issue. This is no different than an AWB or magazine ban. It's unenforceable, easily avoided, will create a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners and does nothing to solve any real issues.

When you're right.......you're right!

 

[okiebryan]

So let me see if I have this straight. You want to legislate NICS checks for all transfers at gun shows? If this is correct, does this meaan within the confines of the building? The boundaries of the property, such as parking lots? How do you expect any of this to actually keep people from avoiding NICS checks at a gun show? Say I bring a gun in to sell as an individual, are you going to log my name and gun information and check everyone leaving the show to make sure I either leave with it, or cross reference it to a FFL form? How do you propose to ensure that I don't simply take the cash and hand it to someone else by the concessions stand? Also, whats to keep me from walking out with it and doing a deal at my car? Will gun shows have to post monitors in the parking lot? Or are you simply assuming that everyone will voluntarily comply with this requirement?

See, these are the things no one ever bothers to mention when discussing the gun show issue. This is no different than an AWB or magazine ban. It's unenforceable, easily avoided, will create a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners and does nothing to solve any real issues.

I think that this question might be better asked of superdave. He has the experience running legal, safe and secure gun shows.

I disagree that it "creates a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners". That would be like saying that our handgun license restriction of 45 caliber max creates criminals. It doesn't. Here are the rules. Follow them and you are legal. We do that every day as it is. IF you want to sell a gun at a show, do it by the book. If you don't want to do that, then don't sell at gun shows.