Three Men Arrested After Buying Gun At Gun Show In OKC

[kd5rjz]

I think that this question might be better asked of superdave. He has the experience running legal, safe and secure gun shows.

I disagree that it "creates a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners". That would be like saying that our handgun license restriction of 45 caliber max creates criminals. It doesn't. Here are the rules. Follow them and you are legal. We do that every day as it is. IF you want to sell a gun at a show, do it by the book. If you don't want to do that, then don't sell at gun shows.

IMHO, these are all huge problems.

The 45 caliber restriction is dumb, not to mention unconstitutional.
The handgun licenses are dumb, not to mention unconstitutional.
Having a "book" full of laws to "do it by the book" with when you sell guns is dumb, not to mention unconstitutional.

Rehabilitate the criminals, keep them in jail, or execute them.

There should be NO restrictions on guns in the hands of citizens, NONE. The 2A doesn't say I have to pay a permission fee, get approved, carry a card, not do this or that, etc. If we're going to start passing laws, let's start with enforcing the ones that deal with treason and get some courts willing to start snapping some necks of those who try to infringe on our rights.

 

[808racer]

So let me see if I have this straight. You want to legislate NICS checks for all transfers at gun shows? If this is correct, does this meaan within the confines of the building? The boundaries of the property, such as parking lots? How do you expect any of this to actually keep people from avoiding NICS checks at a gun show? Say I bring a gun in to sell as an individual, are you going to log my name and gun information and check everyone leaving the show to make sure I either leave with it, or cross reference it to a FFL form? How do you propose to ensure that I don't simply take the cash and hand it to someone else by the concessions stand? Also, whats to keep me from walking out with it and doing a deal at my car? Will gun shows have to post monitors in the parking lot? Or are you simply assuming that everyone will voluntarily comply with this requirement?

See, these are the things no one ever bothers to mention when discussing the gun show issue. This is no different than an AWB or magazine ban. It's unenforceable, easily avoided, will create a new class of criminals among otherwise law abiding gun owners and does nothing to solve any real issues.

Well stated, sir!

 

[cadoll]

Well stated, sir!

More fuel for the fire for the gun takers!

 

[okiebryan]

IMHO, these are all huge problems.

Rehabilitate the criminals, keep them in jail, or execute them.

The 8th amendment might have something to say about executing someone convicted of burglary2. Ok, so give life sentences for any felony conviction. We already have one out of every 142 people in prison, and 1 in 32 under corrections supervision. Where are we going to put all these new prisons, and who is going to pay for it?

There should be NO restrictions on guns in the hands of citizens, NONE. The 2A doesn't say I have to pay a permission fee, get approved, carry a card, not do this or that, etc. If we're going to start passing laws, let's start with enforcing the ones that deal with treason and get some courts willing to start snapping some necks of those who try to infringe on our rights.

So...NO restrictions, NONE. 9 year olds buying Highpoints if the have enough cash? Mentally ill AOK for gun purchases? Or will we lock up all of them, too...?

 

[kd5rjz]

The 8th amendment might have something to say about executing someone convicted of burglary2. Ok, so give life sentences for any felony conviction. We already have one out of every 142 people in prison, and 1 in 32 under corrections supervision. Where are we going to put all these new prisons, and who is going to pay for it?

1: End the war on drugs

2: Have longer sentences for non-violent crimes, and have these people doing hard labor instead of watching TV.

3: Have a three-strike policy

4: Tougher sentencing for immigration crimes, 20+ years hard labor for first offense, execution for second.

5: Armed guards at border with no handcuffs and large capacity magazines. I imagine people would get the point pretty quickly and they wouldn't need such large magazines. With less illegals, we would see a HUGE drop in crime.

So...NO restrictions, NONE. 9 year olds buying Highpoints if the have enough cash? Mentally ill AOK for gun purchases? Or will we lock up all of them, too...?

I'd say 16 and up. If more people were armed society wouldn't be at the mercy of the mentally ill, were they doing background checks 100 years ago?


See, we can make the world safer without becoming a libtard police state.

 

[gsarg]

The right to keep and bare arms, provided an NICS check is done, shall not be infringed. Wait, what?

 

[kd5rjz]

If we're going to rework laws, another biggie IMHO is DUI.

I think on your first DUI you should lose your license, for the rest of your life.

Second conviction would be a lifetime of building new highways with hand tools.

 

[okiebryan]

Can we stick to how best to keep felons from buying guns at gun shows? You have to admit that it's giving fuel to the antis argument. If we could fix this, we remove that card from their deck.

 

[sh00ter]

90% of vendors at these shows are probably FFL dealers and required by law to do
background checks...instead of ending private party sales, they should just end
non-FFL's from being able to rent a booth there and sell guns...problem
solved...the left likes to portray this as that ALL gun sales at gunshows are
without a background check...and the uniformed public accepts it as fact...I
should be able to sell to my uncle Joe as a private citizen...if I happen to KNOW he
is a felon, then I too would be committing a crime...but otherwise, private
party should remain legal and then to curb felons trying to buy illegally, the ATF can just do stings in the online
forums and do random background checks on people who bite off their ads...but it
would not affect ME or my uncle Joe or whoever, since a lot of private party sales are to family/friends anyway..

So then, the two problem areas covered....no non-FFL BOOTHS at gunshows selling guns (person to person
still allowed though), and ATF can troll the the local ads and randomly check their
buyer's background and pickup those trying to buy illegally and the regular
citizen in largely unaffected....

I know it sounds like a far reach as opposed to doing nothing, but it makes sense and might appease some of the gun grabbers if this stuff is properly explained to them...I am glad these cops caught these kids
BTW...probably gang punks...I hate it when a few ruin things for the many.

 

[kd5rjz]

Can we stick to how best to keep felons from buying guns at gun shows? You have to admit that it's giving fuel to the antis argument. If we could fix this, we remove that card from their deck.

If we're wanting to add more regulations, we're as bad as the anti's. This is like telling a rapist, "Ok, but will you use a condom?".

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin