Three Men Arrested After Buying Gun At Gun Show In OKC

[BadgeBunny]

The uniformed officers at the gun shows are paid for by the promoter for security. The NICS bacground check is free for licensed dealers. In California you used to have to involve a dealer for a transfer. The dealer would receive it in to his books, then transfer it to the buyer. But in Kalifornia there is a fifteen day waiting period on all purchases. I suspect one of the Laws that will be pushed by the "left" will be mandatory checks on all purchases at gun shows. I personally would hate to see it, but there would be an opportunity for a dealer to make $10 or so for a few minutes work and a phone call.

This ... And if I had to pick a knife to stick myself with, I'd rather it be this than some of the other stuff I've heard floating around out there ...

 

[mugsy]

I agree it is sad how many of our gun owning brethren are in favor of selling us down the river to the antis. Many of them are FFL holders and/or CCL trainers who stand to benefit financially from such an arrangement.

Having disagreements is OK, in fact it is peaceful disagreement that marks the civilized state versus the state of nature. I don't mind you disagreeing with me (generically speaking) at all but please stop the "you are a disloyal American if you disagree with me" nonsense. Simply state your case and why my ideas or anyone else's are not good and your ideas are good. That should be sufficient. The ad-hominem stuff is a waste of time and energy.

 

[jakeman]

This is kind of my point. If we were to get in front of this, then we get to decide how this is best to be accomplished, rather than waiting for someone to do it for us. to us.

I'd rather agree to requiring background checks on private gun show sales that to end up with a ban on private sales altogether.

This is me. I'm not sure what to think of how I feel.

I've got a friend that owns a huge gun store, he disagrees with me even though he admits it would be a benefit to him. It's a personal property thing with him, and I agree. If I own it, I should be able to sell it. But I do think that there is a line there where a person that sells dozens of guns every year is no longer a private seller, and is in fact just an unlicensed dealer, skirting the law. But, then what do you do with estate auctions, collectors liquidating their collections? A guy in a bind for cash that sells 5 or 6 guns just to raise cash? I just don't know, but I've seen hidden camera videos of investigative reporters telling private sellers at gun shows, "I probably won't pass a background check" and the seller responding, "I don't need to know that, but here is the gun, hand me the cash".

We are either going to have to police ourselves, or the gun grabbers are going to do it to us. They will. I'm really jacked up in my mind about this, it's clearly an infringement, but guys knowingly selling to people that they know can't legally own a gun aren't doing us any favors. I can see someone proposing a law concerning not only possessing a gun as a felon, but selling a gun to a felon also being a crime. WTF are we gonna do then?

I'm sorry guys, and I know I'm gonna get ripped, but we are gonna have to figure out a way to prevent criminals from using our gun shows to illegally obtain guns. Flame away.

 

[tran]

Okay, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at these three and know something’s not right. The seller should have just said no or put an insane adder on the gun to make them walk away. I have walked away form a couple of transactions in the past if it didn’t look right.

The seller should have just said no....

 

[jakeman]

The "Gun Show Loophole" has received so much publicity in recent months, the uninformed section of the public will pick up on this report and agree that something must be done to stop these criminals from getting those bad guns. The result will end up being either the end of gun shows, or the requirement that all sales must go through an FFL at a show. That would then bring about calls to make private sales, such as between OSA members, family members or neighbors also go through the FFL process.

Gun shows have become our worse enemy. Think back to the last show you attended, and being honest, within a 25 foot radius of you, there are at least half a dozen folks that shouldn't even be allowed out in public without adult supervision, much less be allowed to own a gun. I strongly support the 2nd amendment, but there are just so many nut jobs that have given us a bad name. Somehow, we need to find a way to clean up our image, and self police our shooting community.

I agree with most of this.

I've bought guns at shows, but it was a long, long, long time ago. There used to be deals to be found. Every show I've been to in the last 15+ years everything I've seen has been over priced. Who is doing all the buying at these shows that keeps them happening every weekend?

I'd hate to see gun shows, and this perceived loophole, be the end of me selling something I no longer shoot to a friend of mine that wants it, or vice versa.

I don't know, I really do feel like a traitor to the cause at times, other times I don't.

 

[mugsy]

I don't disagree with anything you have said, mugsy ... But, again, because of my legal background (and dealing with perfectly normal looking sociopaths on a regular basis) that I don't trust anybody ... Especially the ones who go out of their way to look perfect ... You can ask poor old GC ... I was looking him up on every database I had access to when we first met ... (No worries ... he was doing the same thing to me! LOL)

LOL, my wife, when I was first courting her, had, unknown to me, several background checks run on me. I happen to know that there is a well-known mafia member with my same first and last name so it is a small miracle that I passed the checks.

 

[okiebryan]

The "Gun Show Loophole" has received so much publicity in recent months, the uninformed section of the public will pick up on this report and agree that something must be done to stop these criminals from getting those bad guns. The result will end up being either the end of gun shows, or the requirement that all sales must go through an FFL at a show. That would then bring about calls to make private sales, such as between OSA members, family members or neighbors also go through the FFL process.

Gun shows have become our worse enemy. Think back to the last show you attended, and being honest, within a 25 foot radius of you, there are at least half a dozen folks that shouldn't even be allowed out in public without adult supervision, much less be allowed to own a gun. I strongly support the 2nd amendment, but there are just so many nut jobs that have given us a bad name. Somehow, we need to find a way to clean up our image, and self police our shooting community.

This thread shows exactly why any effort to police our own community is going to be difficult. Any idea to stop a leak (guns to felons) is met with cries of hyperbole laced protests about how I'm selling us out and we can't give an inch, etc... but a good idea is a good idea.

Feel the need to repeat this and bold it just so there is no misunderstanding:
I do not propose banning private sales of firearms. I do propose requiring a NICS check on a buyer of ANY firearm at a gun show, and making the handgun license serve as a pass around this check.

I've since learned that the only reason that Oklahoma licenses don't bypass a NICS check is because we issue 10 year licenses. This means our licenses don't meet the Federal standards to bypass NICS. We would have to go back to 5 year only in order for our HG licenses to qualify to bypass NICS. That kinda complicates this issue.

 

[okiebryan]

Having disagreements is OK, in fact it is peaceful disagreement that marks the civilized state versus the state of nature. I don't mind you disagreeing with me (generically speaking) at all but please stop the "you are a disloyal American if you disagree with me" nonsense. Simply state your case and why my ideas or anyone else's are not good and your ideas are good. That should be sufficient. The ad-hominem stuff is a waste of time and energy.

This. Exactly this.

 

[berettaman]

I think the system worked just fine.The cops got their man and i'm assuming they confiscated the gun.
One more "illegal gun" off the streets.

 

[superdave65]

Prior to opening the doors to the public at all of my shows, I have a vendor meeting. Because I have constant strife with "the one we dare not speak his name" I tell all my vendors to assume that everybody from the local dog catcher to the ATF will be at the show. As of now, private party sales are the law of the land. I tell all the sellers to operate legally.
1. ask to see a drivers license
2. ask if you can own this firearm legally
3. no out of state sales on handguns.
These rules will not stop a felon from getting a gun, but face it. Criminals don't care about laws and will get what they want whether they buy it or steal it. I do not support background checks for private party sales, but I do support forcing the private party sellers that are selling hundreds of firearms a year to get a FFL. I have stopped letting a couple of guys set up at my show, just because I felt that they were very sketchy, I don't have any direct knowledge of wrong doing but I don't want to take a chance. I always say that trouble "splashes". It doesn't just affect the guy doing shady business, but causes trouble for anyone involved.