Three Men Arrested After Buying Gun At Gun Show In OKC

[kd5rjz]

I can't believe anyone on this site would support MORE regulations on guns. What a sad day here on OSA.

We should be working together to get rid of this crap instead of creating more. We need to get rid of CCW's and NCIS all together.

 

[harley128]

No one wants the bad guys getting guns, I'm betting we all agree on that. However, it's a problem not easily solved. You can count on there being legislation soon to make it more difficult for them. Private sales at gun shows is a big target right now, so you can pretty much count on something being done fairly soon.

 

[Glocktogo]

Why not just have FELON printed across a drivers/id license? Unless they already have this then nevemind.

Because we gave up the Scarlet Letter thing a couple hundred years ago. Violation of civil rights and whatnot.

from what i understand its 50 for any transfers including new guns. havent lived there for 20 years but thats what i have been told and thats per call.

now the whole free market thing. look at what is going on with transfers now. 20 to 40 bucks for ffl transfers. maybe it could be as simple as closing the gun show loophole is to require the gun shows to provide the background check at their cost since the cost of a gun show is now 11 to 15 bucks.

I guess my issue with no background check and it is the real problem besides bad guys getting them is the mental health issue and the idiots that demand that they be allowed to keep guns unlocked and unsecured though many want to be like Switzerland and Israel. if they only knew what the law's were really there and not the myths we hear

I see no reason for citizens to pay anything for a mandatory check on a private transfer. That would be tantamount to taxing a right. What's next, a poll tax? Not gonna fly. Perhaps the .gov should create a new class of FFL license for transfer brokers? No firearms sales, just certified to run NICS checks on private transfers. Annual fee of $10 for the license and the gun show purveyors could let them in for free for working a booth for an hour or two doing free transfers? Just a thought. I am 100% against closing the mislabeled "gun show loophole". The only way to do it would be to regulate all private transfers, which would make yet another class of instant criminals. Otherwise, wouldn't the private sale guys just leave the building or premises and do their deal close by, then return to the show? It's not rocket science to figure out how to get around these silly proposals.

Why did the police notice these guys at a gun show, what made them stand out? Something had to trigger further investigation.
Now dont take this wrong, I am glad the guys got caught, they were breaking the law, but what triggered the suspicion?

Are the police at gun shows running plates on cars to see who shows up?

Seriously? I'll bet if I ran them in VGTOF, I'd get a hit on all three. It doesn't take much experience to recognize them. Most officers with a couple of years on can do it easily. That face tatoo is like a billboard for gang affiliation. FWIW, the drug convictions are a red herring. It's not about drugs, it's about the thug life for these guys. If drugs were legalized, they'd move on to gambling, prostitution, theft, etc. They are criminals first and drug affiliated second. It's just easy money for them.

This certainly isn't an easy fix, but the first step is to be a little circumspect about who you sell to. JMO, YMMV

 

[Cinaet]

Officers checked the three out and found David Jackson had prior felony convictions in Oklahoma County for possession of controlled substance and marijuana with intent and possession of an offensive weapon while committing a felony, as well as a burglary 2 case. David Jackson also had pending charges for possession of a controlled substance with intent, concealing stolen property, possession of a firearm, drug paraphernalia and obstructing an officer...

The system worked. Don't make things any more of a problem for me than they already are. I'm a law abiding citizen.

 

[thegomezclan]

Why can't your carry permit bypass the nics check like they do TX and AZ?

 

[BadgeBunny]

You probably wouldn't sell one to me, either. Alot of people probably wouldn't using any kind of criteria like those.

But oh well.

I happen to agree with you here. Looks has nothing to do with whether a person is "worthy" of buying a gun or not. In fact, looks has very little to do with much of anything at all except intitial perceptions -- which more often than not are just plain old wrong ... I've met plenty of shucksters, rapists, murderers and child molesters who look perfectly "fine" ... In fact, the ones that came to mind when I saw okiebryan's post were our former Insurance Commissioner, a retired (highly decorated) military officer, an ex-OHP Trooper and a pharmacist of recent notoriety ... All of these men (with exception of our former Insurance Commissioner, I believe) are now roomies at Lexington Correctional Facility, last I heard ...

Problem is, if you wander around a gun show trying to sell a gun, well ... what else are you gonna go by?? (This is why I, personally, would NEVER sell a firearm at a gun show. Give it to any number of friends to place on their table and pay them a fee? Sure ... Let some bozo just walk up to me and say "Hey, cool gun ... What 'cha want for it?" No way ... )

ETA: GC reminds me that the "ex-OHP Trooper" "technically" was not an "OHP Trooper" when he was arrested ... so ... po-taaa-toe, po-taahhhhh-toe ...

He also points out that how the heck do you guys know when you sell a gun on the Classified here who you are dealing with ... especially in light of all the folks who no longer use OSA to "meet like-minded folks" but simply use OSA to "sell their latest acquisition for a new and improved price"?? You want that to go away? Because that's exactly what will happen if they close the "gunshow loophole" ...

 

[UnSafe]

I recall my wife meeting a thug that hung around the mall photo shop she worked in, in Co. Springs back in the '90's. He spoke openly of making a living by buying guns face to face for cash and driving loads of them back to California. We read of him being arrested (Good), but the point is that this type of FTF cash straw purchasing has been going on for decades. I'd suspect that many sellers are unaware of the buyer's intent, but there are probably some that just don't care and are happy to get their asking price or more. You can expect that the cops are going to be paying more and more attention to this now that the gun control fight gloves are off, and both sides look for cases to support their objectives.

My solution is simple. I only buy/ sell FTF from people I know or via OK Shooter's Classifieds to posters with enough posts to establish their credibility as legit gun nuts.

 

[harley128]

I recall my wife meeting a thug that hung around the mall photo shop she worked in, in Co. Springs back in the '90's. He spoke openly of making a living by buying guns face to face for cash and driving loads of them back to California. We read of him being arrested (Good), but the point is that this type of FTF cash straw purchasing has been going on for decades. I'd suspect that many sellers are unaware of the buyer's intent, but there are probably some that just don't care and are happy to get their asking price or more. You can expect that the cops are going to be paying more and more attention to this now that the gun control fight gloves are off, and both sides look for cases to support their objectives.

My solution is simple. I only buy/ sell FTF from people I know or via OK Shooter's Classifieds to posters with enough posts to establish their credibility as legit gun nuts.

Probably a wise practice there.

 

[264killer]

I still like the felon I D. They should be easy to I D.

 

[mugsy]

I am fully in favor of private gun sales but I think there should be a way for private sellers - if they wish to do so - to access NCIS in a simple, cheap manner. I have several times asked now if there is a way to accomplish that task under the existing system or if a new system or new procedures would have to be established to allow same. Not sure that I gotten a complete, direct answer.