Tulsa public schools just voted to go 100% virtual for the first 9 weeks

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TedKennedy

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As a product of the Tulsa Public Schools, I can say with certainty that the kids are better off at home. Nothing but big multi=cultural day care centers these days, my wife and I purposefully moved to an independent school district outside Tulsa solely to avoid TPS.
Most of my learning came from my parents, and my children can say the same. This Wuhan Panic is illustrating that schools aren't for education, but simply to provide daycare and feeding of offspring.
 

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IDK but I know from the inside "my wife is a teacher" how many of these children truly rely on our school lunch programs.. I was once one of those kids on a dime lunch program. Many of these kids will make you proud! Oh.. they also send many of these same children home with backpacks full of food to make it through the weekend on Fridays...! Good kiddos, I know them!

Right, Left I don't care, we have to figure out how to fill this void if there is to be no in person school this fall.

I've always struggled with this. Without a doubt, you're right--many of those kids are great kids, and none of us want them hungry. But isn't feeding one's own kids just about the single most fundamental responsibility that parents have? I don't see that as a "public" function. Requiring taxpayers to assume responsibility for feeding other people's kids outside of school hours seems pretty socialist to me.

Yes, sometimes folks get in a jam--lose a job, etc. Don't most communities still have a food pantry of some kind? (Ours did when I was a kid; don't know for sure now.) Don't many churches have assistance mechanisms? (Pretty sure all the ones I've ever been a member of did.)
 

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I've always struggled with this. Without a doubt, you're right--many of those kids are great kids, and none of us want them hungry. But isn't feeding one's own kids just about the single most fundamental responsibility that parents have? I don't see that as a "public" function. Requiring taxpayers to assume responsibility for feeding other people's kids outside of school hours seems pretty socialist to me.

Yes, sometimes folks get in a jam--lose a job, etc. Don't most communities still have a food pantry of some kind? (Ours did when I was a kid; don't know for sure now.) Don't many churches have assistance mechanisms? (Pretty sure all the ones I've ever been a member of did.)

I agree, providing for your own is just about the most important thing in the world. I believe most parents take that job very seriously.

Many kiddos have parents so bombed out of their mind it's a miracle they even make it to or stay in school. It's not about helping the parent, it's about the kid. Many kiddos have parents with severe mental issues as well. School is often their only respite from that reality.
 

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I agree, providing for your own is just about the most important thing in the world. I believe most parents take that job very seriously.

Many kiddos have parents so bombed out of their mind it's a miracle they even make it to or stay in school. It's not about helping the parent, it's about the kid. Many kiddos have parents with severe mental issues as well. School is often their only respite from that reality.

Sad case indeed, but parents have responsibility for their own children, not everyone else's. That's the way it goes - life is hard and the world is mean.
 

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I agree, providing for your own is just about the most important thing in the world. I believe most parents take that job very seriously.

Many kiddos have parents so bombed out of their mind it's a miracle they even make it to or stay in school. It's not about helping the parent, it's about the kid. Many kiddos have parents with severe mental issues as well. School is often their only respite from that reality.

I can't tell you how many kids experienced a gentle word/touch from an adult for the first time in my wife's classroom. Over the last 10+ years she's taught 1st and 3rd grade. It's amazing how they grow and mature (as much as grade schoolers can) from first day to the last day.
 

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Sad case indeed, but parents have responsibility for their own children, not everyone else's. That's the way it goes - life is hard and the world is mean.

absolutely the wrong attitude. The kids in school today are the future of our nation. You are right, a parent’s primary responsibility is to provide for their family, and sadly, many don’t, and many of them have no intention of providing.

We don’t have to look very far to find very successful, contributing members of society today who were mentored by teachers that showed them that they did have potential to rise out of the poverty that was holding them back.

Now all make it out, but I want to see as many succeed as possible, and providing school lunches and a community experience plays a very big part in that.
 

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absolutely the wrong attitude. The kids in school today are the future of our nation. You are right, a parent’s primary responsibility is to provide for their family, and sadly, many don’t, and many of them have no intention of providing.

We don’t have to look very far to find very successful, contributing members of society today who were mentored by teachers that showed them that they did have potential to rise out of the poverty that was holding them back.

Now all make it out, but I want to see as many succeed as possible, and providing school lunches and a community experience plays a very big part in that.

That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, it really does. Now if I choose (and believe it or not, I often do) to give my earnings to an entity that provides for those that can't help themselves - that's charity, and a good thing.

If the state takes my earnings and re-distributes them to folks of their choosing, that's theft, socialism and wrong.

Just because YOU think the school lunch program justifies theft of earnings does not make it so. Some justify that theft and would re-distribute to Planned Parenthood, and feel just as righteous in doing so as those stealing for the blind and orphaned.

So it becomes a matter of precedent, and principle. A man's earnings should be his to do as he chooses, the state should never be the one to decide which charity is just.
 

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I surrender. You have the right attitude. So I guess you don’t drive on highways, rely on the fire dept when you have a fire, don’t use any of the technology developed by those kids who were in school a few years ago, and so on.

There is a well known poem that goes “No man is an island”. Like it or not, we all rely on each other to have the great nation and society that we have.
 

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