Why give any support or aid to any country that allows hate towards the country that is supplying them aid and support? I'm so tired of hearing about the drama in the Middle East, we have enough problems to deal with here at home. I say pull out completely, stop all aid, military support, and let them kill each other. To be honest it shouldn't be our problem or concern until they make threats here on US soil. Isn't the UN the one that is supposed to be keeping the peace not the US?
Yes, their quest to convert isn't anything new. But I've read little about their hate for the U.S. prior to WWII - and hell yes, they had plenty of media then. Obviously not to the extent we have now, but it was about as contrived. Our meddling in their business since we decided after the war that we would try and run world affairs is the primary reason we have problems with them; had we left them the hell alone to live in the stone age as they seemed to be comfortable, then they would be a non-factor. Well, except for probably that pesky oil they live over. We've installed leaders, helped build nations while deposing the former residents, supported one while they slaughtered the other, started organizations that ended up turning on us, and God only knows what else that we aren't told about. They don't hate us for our freedom, and while they are popularly thought to want to "kill or convert us all", I'd bet that had the U.S. not gotten their dirty mits all up in their business for the past 60 years, they'd likely just dislike us from a distance, while they warred amonst tribes, like they've done for centuries.
So as a counter point... here are some photos you most likely won't see on CNN or Fox.
Yes, there are some differences between Christians and Muslims, the Middle-East and the West, ect. Regardless about how you feel about our policies there, it's important to not demonize all Muslims, as hard as it is. It would be no different than any other group demonizing all christians as Westboro Baptist crazies.
You can view more at http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI
Yes, there are some differences between Christians and Muslims, the Middle-East and the West, ect. Regardless about how you feel about our policies there, it's important to not demonize all Muslims, as hard as it is. It would be no different than any other group demonizing all christians as Westboro Baptist crazies.
You can view more at http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI
I say we start a war with the Swedish Ski Team. I say arrest them and punish them with whips and chains and dog collars while nekkid ala Abu Ghraib.
Wow those are some touching photos, seriously. I hope they are sincere and arent calling us sorry people. And if they are sincere I for one feel like a sorry person.
What in the hell is Pehavior?
Mitch, I didn't look through all the pages of this thread to see if your question was answered...but in short, this was a Consulate and not all Consulates have a contingent of Marine Security Guards (MSG).
An important point, for the Libya incident AND the Egypt incident, to everyone complaining about the Marines not stacking the bodies on the wall, is that even if a facility has a contingent of MSGs....the MSG's primary mission is the internal security of the facility. The force is not large and only in extreme circumstances would the MSGs use kinetic force on the exterior grounds.
They will not be ordered to open fire on a crowd of punks climbing an exterior wall and burning a flag. This policy pre-dates the Obama admin and has been SOP for a long long time. In the case of the Libya incident, from what I've seen the attacking force was large. A half a dozen Marines might have changed the equation, but it still would've been ugly. I'm sure this target was picked precisely because it didn't have a large American security presence.
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I thought I heard the 2 guys killed with the Ambassador were marines.
I posted that earlier, but I haven't heard it confirmed since.
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