Immigration Reform Looming

[Mgarza_a]

The thing that gets me is is it appears most latinos ( if you are latino feel free to chime in) seem to think if you support the rule of law and think someone should not be able to break into the country and stay just because they "want a better life" that you are anti-latino.


Legal immigrants should be the ones complaining the most as they did it the right way.

While I understand the point you're trying to make here, I believe these are separate issues. First all naturalized immigrants I know believe in the institutions of law and respect them. It's not that they agree with illegal immigration, but rather understand the desire to come to the US and we feel great compassion for the situations they are trying to escape. Remember in my post above, I stated we have a strong sense of family and community.

While television and magazines show the better parts of Mexico, they often fail to portray these are either tourist areas or locations which have US companies supporting the surrounding communities. I personally have family members who come from dirt floor homes, and have a college education. So while we do not support illegal immigration we do have compassion and a level of understanding that may not be understood looking from the outside.

 

[n2sooners]

GOP needs to hire you as a consultant on how to lure latino and black voters over to GOP candidates in the elections next year.
Then they could expand their voting options instead of curtailing them.

I don't believe in catering to anyone because of their race. That is true racism. I believe in fixing the problems preventing the nation from being prosperous because during times of prosperity, everyone benefits.

 

[mugsy]

While I understand the point you're trying to make here, I believe these are separate issues. First all naturalized immigrants I know believe in the institutions of law and respect them. It's not that they agree with illegal immigration, but rather understand the desire to come to the US and we feel great compassion for the situations they are trying to escape. Remember in my post above, I stated we have a strong sense of family and community.

While television and magazines show the better parts of Mexico, they often fail to portray these are either tourist areas or locations which have US companies supporting the surrounding communities. I personally have family members who come from dirt floor homes, and have a college education. So while we do not support illegal immigration we do have compassion and a level of understanding that may not be understood looking from the outside.

So what would be wrong with allowing a "legal" status pathway that does not include any path to citizenship without first departing and restarting the clock? My mother has lived her whole life here as a permanent resident (legal) alien and suffers no discrimination on that basis. Sometimes she complains about this or that issue of politics and I tell her to stop complaining and become a citizen or else leave the voting to citizens (I say it in a respectful way - she is my mother) and she gets it.
The legal status would stop, or at least minimize, the exploitation vulnerability of those in the shadows while not devaluing what it means to be a citizen of the United States, vice being a guest - no matter for how long - a distinction that is critical to maintain. Such a system would also respect the rule of law by neither punishing those who do follow the existing system nor rewarding those who have violated the laws for years.

 

[Mgarza_a]

So what would be wrong with allowing a "legal" status pathway that does not include any path to citizenship without first departing and restarting the clock? My mother has lived her whole life here as a permanent resident (legal) alien and suffers no discrimination on that basis. Sometimes she complains about this or that issue of politics and I tell her to stop complaining and become a citizen or else leave the voting to citizens (I say it in a respectful way - she is my mother) and she gets it.
The legal status would stop, or at least minimize, the exploitation vulnerability of those in the shadows while not devaluing what it means to be a citizen of the United States, vice being a guest - no matter for how long - a distinction that is critical to maintain. Such a system would also respect the rule of law by neither punishing those who do follow the existing system nor rewarding those who have violated the laws for years.

Thats a great solution, as long as the process is not booby trapped with miles of red tape.

 

[Hobbes]

I don't believe in catering to anyone because of their race. That is true racism. I believe in fixing the problems preventing the nation from being prosperous because during times of prosperity, everyone benefits.

That's great but it has nothing to do with Republicans not wanting minorities to vote unless they vote Republican.
I can see why the GOP has a problem here.

 

[JB Books]

If your mom had a legal problem, she might be deported. I've seen it happen. In addition to my injury, disability and mass torts practices, I also employ an immigration attorney and staff. Once had a British client who had been in the US as an LPR for 25 years, they tried to deport him for a made up domestic violence charge.

However, you are correct, we need a viable guest worker program.

So what would be wrong with allowing a "legal" status pathway that does not include any path to citizenship without first departing and restarting the clock? My mother has lived her whole life here as a permanent resident (legal) alien and suffers no discrimination on that basis. Sometimes she complains about this or that issue of politics and I tell her to stop complaining and become a citizen or else leave the voting to citizens (I say it in a respectful way - she is my mother) and she gets it.
The legal status would stop, or at least minimize, the exploitation vulnerability of those in the shadows while not devaluing what it means to be a citizen of the United States, vice being a guest - no matter for how long - a distinction that is critical to maintain. Such a system would also respect the rule of law by neither punishing those who do follow the existing system nor rewarding those who have violated the laws for years.

 

[n2sooners]

That's great but it has nothing to do with Republicans not wanting minorities to vote unless they vote Republican.
I can see why the GOP has a problem here.

You mean "A" republican. If one republican equals all republicans, then KKK senator Robert Byrd must equal all democrats.

 

[Hobbes]

You mean "A" republican. If one republican equals all republicans, then KKK senator Robert Byrd must equal all democrats.

Florida, Ohio, Texas,.... Lots of Republican controlled states tried to impede minority voting in 2012.
On the other hand you have to construct a straw man argument out of what Robert Byrd did in the 1940's.

If I was a minority I wouldn't even consider voting Republican.

 

[n2sooners]

Florida, Ohio, Texas,.... Lots of Republican controlled states tried to impede minority voting in 2012.
On the other hand you have to construct a straw man argument out of what Robert Byrd did in the 1940's.

If I was a minority I wouldn't even consider voting Republican.

Of course you wouldn't, you would vote for the party that actually repealed civil rights. Sorry, but if it takes hand outs to win over certain voters then I don't think their vote is worth it.

 

[ignerntbend]

You mean "A" republican. If one republican equals all republicans, then KKK senator Robert Byrd must equal all democrats.

This is hilarious echo-chamber stuff. Byrd was alone among the Dixiecrats who stayed in the Democratic Party after The Civil Rights Act. What did the rest of them do? Thurman, Stennis, Wallace, Maddox, Conally... what did those guys do? They left the Democratic Party for their true home in the Republican party.

Who are the Republicans who agreed with the Civil Rights act. The Rockefellers and Romneys, the people who would be considered RINOs today.

The People you might consider REAL Republicans? Well, Goldwater, for example, voted against the Civil Rights Act.