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“A man who is good enough to shed his blood for his country, is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards." ~ Teddy Roosevelt

agree 100%, it's a disgrace the way vets are being treated. Most I know will not go there because they have private insurance. This has been going on for awhile.
 

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That sure adds to the problem as well. Folks getting paid disability for things like sleep apnea etc...put a drain on the system for sure.

IMHO, there needs to be a complete overhaul of the disability system along with a narrowing of the scope of who gets treated at VA hospitals but, like I said, it's a third rail that not many people want to touch.

It seems very obvious that some things are going to have to change, there've been problems in the VA for some time now. Wasn't there a big scandal about conditions at Walter Reed some years ago?

Yeah third rails are dangerous, those riding the gravy train on those rails and the engineers(politicians, elites) driving them will run anyone over who questions their schedule and route.
 

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The Korean war vets are in their 80's mostly and reaching the last few years of their lives and the last few years are the ones that strain a healthcare system the most.
The Vietnam war vets are mostly in their 60's so they are beginning to experience more serious healthcare issues as well.

The exploitation of the disability system is an outright scandal.
Like many non military people I was mostly unaware of the magnitude of the problem until recently when my employer hired a supervisor who was classified 100% disabled out of the AF and yet working 40+ hours per week In a full time job.


None of that is to say the VA system isn't in need of total reorganization and the staff who falsified documents to get their performance bonuses need to be prosecuted as the crooks they are.

Funny how that's just an oxymoron for those in certain groups, but fraud for those who aren't. Some are just a little more special, a little more equal.
 

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Funny how that's just an oxymoron for those in certain groups, but fraud for those who aren't. Some are just a little more special, a little more equal.
Fraud is claiming something you're not entitled to.

The guy is not only drawing a disability check in addition to his paycheck but he doesn't pay sales tax, property tax, excise tax, .....
 

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Fraud is claiming something you're not entitled to.

The guy is not only drawing a disability check in addition to his paycheck but he doesn't pay sales tax, property tax, excise tax, .....

That's the point when some are allowed/entitled to benefit from situations others aren't it's a form of more equal.
 

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I find it ironic that the VA mess is just now coming to the forefront of the news media.
A buddy of mine who was in Viet Nam was saying all the stuff that is in the media way back in the 70's.
He has always said (rather loudly) to anybody who would listen that the VA medical system is total trash and was always happy to give examples based upon personal experience with his own combat injuries.

The part that I have always found funny about his griping about the "free to him" VA medical system is that he is always whining about how the government should have socialized medical for everybody so he can save money.
My reply to him is the same every time he mentions socialize medicine, "Socialized medicine would be just as bad as the present VA system".
 

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It seems very obvious that some things are going to have to change, there've been problems in the VA for some time now. Wasn't there a big scandal about conditions at Walter Reed some years ago?

Yeah third rails are dangerous, those riding the gravy train on those rails and the engineers(politicians, elites) driving them will run anyone over who questions their schedule and route.

Walter Reed isn't a VA facility, it's a military facility.

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Just an FYI, but VA disability had nothing to do with one's ability to work, it has to do with actual injuries and/or illnesses related to military service. And those injuries can add up. Hearing loss plus an eye injury plus a knee injury may add up to 100%, but wouldn't necessarily stop a person from working many different jobs. VA disability isn't a handout based on ability to work, it is a benefit intended to compensate for actual injuries suffered in service to the country.

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Walter Reed isn't a VA facility, it's a military facility.

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Sorry, my mistake, hard to keep track of who's doing the screwing without a program...think it really makes any difference to a vet who's truly suffering and in need of care?

The Washington Post published a series of articles beginning February 18, 2007, outlining cases of neglect at Walter Reed reported by wounded soldiers and their family members. Although the article focused primarily on Building 18, a former hotel building just outside the post's main gates, authors Dana Priest and Anne Hull also included complaints about "disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked managers" that make navigating the already complicated bureaucracy to obtain medical care at WRAMC even more daunting. Although Army officials claimed to be surprised at these conditions, a Salon.com series beginning in January 2005 had previously exposed them. In 2004 and 2005, articles appeared in the Post and in Salon interviewing First Lt. Julian Goodrum about his court martial for seeking medical care elsewhere due to poor conditions at WRAMC...

WRAMC's Building 18 was described in Washington Post article as rat- and cockroach-infested, with stained carpets, cheap mattresses, and black mold, with some soldiers reporting no heat or water in the facility. The unmonitored entrance created security problems, including reports of drug dealers in front of the facility. Injured soldiers stated they were forced to "pull guard duty" to have some level of security....

The scandal at Walter Reed led to an extensive analysis of the veteran's healthcare system, as well, managed by the United States Department of Veterans' Affairs. Amidst accusations of mismanagement and excessive bureaucracy, the VA announced an extensive review of all of their medical facilities to ensure healthcare standards are being met.

Well at least we know it's all better now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal
 

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Just an FYI, but VA disability had nothing to do with one's ability to work, it has to do with actual injuries and/or illnesses related to military service. And those injuries can add up. Hearing loss plus an eye injury plus a knee injury may add up to 100%, but wouldn't necessarily stop a person from working many different jobs. VA disability isn't a handout based on ability to work, it is a benefit intended to compensate for actual injuries suffered in service to the country.

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Another great explanation. I wish everyone could understand that serving in the military damages a person in so many different ways. Serving in the military is a blessing and a curse and has such a lasting effect on a person.

I find it very interesting that the day to day stress experienced by military members is noy comparable to anything else one could ever do. Im amazed that yhe consequences arnt felt until years and decades later.

For example. I never gave any thought to running.mile after mile in boots or climbing up n down through out a ship day after day for years. I was young and n shape. Civilians will never experience that. The damage doesn't show up until years later.

Eh sorry for gettin off topic. The VA is a mess, always has been.
 

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