Simple Question. Will you vote for Trump?

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bombing oil supply lines is exactly what Trump advocated long before any other candidate .. my only question is why did it take so long???

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IS faces budget crunch, cutting perks and trimming salaries
Feb. 16, 2016

Mideast Islamic State Budget Crunch

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In this undated file photo released online in the summer of 2014 on a militant social media account, The extremist group that once bragged about minting its own currency is now accepting only U.S. dollars in Raqqa, slashing salaries across the board by half and imposing exit fees for those trying to leave its domain.

BEIRUT (AP) - Faced with a cash shortage in its so-called caliphate, the Islamic State group has slashed salaries across the region, asked Raqqa residents to pay utility bills in black market American dollars, and is now releasing detainees for a price of $500 a person.

The extremists who once bragged about minting their own currency are having a hard time meeting expenses, thanks to coalition airstrikes and other measures that have eroded millions from their finances since last fall. Having built up loyalty among militants with good salaries and honeymoon and baby bonuses, the group has stopped providing even the smaller perks: free energy drinks and Snickers bars.

In Raqqa, the group's stronghold in Syria, salaries have been halved since December, electricity is rationed, and prices for basics are spiraling out of reach, according to people exiled from the city.

Within the last two weeks, the extremist group started accepting only dollars for "tax" payments, water and electric bills, according to the Raqqa activist, who asked to be identified by his nom de guerre Abu Ahmad for his safety. "Everything is paid in dollars," he said. His account was bolstered by another ex-Raqqa resident, who, like Ahmad, also relies on communications with a network of family and acquaintances still in the city.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8525...et-crunch-killing-perks-and-slashing-salaries
 

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yeah, I'm still ambivalent about the net effects of the family/medial leave program...for sure, the positive and negative long-term consequences are difficult to quantify...currently, i'm comfortable paying $1.61 a week for the benefit it will provide because i think the net effect will be positive for our society (in many ways).

the only way the health care plan will cost you more money is if (a) you currently pay virtually nothing for health care (i.e., including premiums, medications, deductibles, co-pays, etc.), and (b) you never need expensive health care (e.g., major surgery, cancer treatment, heart treatment, palliative care, etc.)...for the overwhelming majority of americans, that isn't the case. this plan also allows our medical system to transition from a treatment based system to a more preventative based system, which will in itself save (everyone) a lot of money

there isn't any evidence that the other programs will result in "passed down costs"...similarly to minimum wage increases, although this is an intuitive conclusion, in practice it doesn't happen (mostly because of the highly competitive free market we enjoy).

Please post your source documents that prove this.

Because after all, the Obamacare penalties weren't a punitive tax, but then presto changeo! They suddenly were! :(
 

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bombing oil supply lines is exactly what Trump advocated long before any other candidate .. my only question is why did it take so long???

Attitude, we have become the gang that can't do things.
Whether it's illegal immigration, war, trade, you name it, we don't have the leadership that wins.
This is the reason most Americans say that we are on the wrong track, this is the reason we no longer expect that our children will have a country as good as we did.
A country full of resources going broke, $20 trillion in debt, no hope in sight, the GOP wants business as usual, the people want change.
For many, Trump is the solution.
 

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Please post your source documents that prove this.

Because after all, the Obamacare penalties weren't a punitive tax, but then presto changeo! They suddenly were! :(

And the ultimate irony is that during oral arguments in front of SCOTUS they argued it BOTH ways!

Just like Schumer denying he wanted to block Bush's SCOTUS appointments, they'll say whatever it takes to win and they don't care at all about right or wrong. And evidently a significant portion of the voting population doesn't care either. :(
 

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See, it's only those greedy rich bastards that will pay. Oh wait....

Farmer with the mic drop...

I also dropped my mic when I first saw that pretty graph...just look at the great use of contrasting blues, and nice choice of font also. I mean, who could argue with those numbers, right? Well, for starters, anyone serious about trying to understand the plans, proposals, and policies (and I realize that most people on this forum are not). Too bad it's not just laughable propaganda, but it's an outright lie. That's not, in any way, reflective of how Bernie's proposals actually work; and is in every way purposely misleading. I have to give them credit though; they are using simple psychological principles to persuade people, and seem to be doing it effectively...lmao. Vox is relying on the fact the most people won't put much thought into it (or any, for that matter). The graph incorrectly presents Bernie's proposed income tax brackets, and also fails to mention these are marginal tax rates, not actual. More problematic though, then it presents all the new monies needed as being funded by income and payroll taxes (which is totally misleading and mostly false, especially the bit about payroll taxes), and fails to mention the net income savings that will result. In short, Bernie's proposals specifically state they will be funded by x, y, and z sources...and the Vox graph says, "oh look! Bernie's proposals will be funded with a, b, and c sources that you will directly pay for" (i.e., blatant lies, given it's actually x, y, and z sources).

I don't agree with all of Bernie's proposals, ideas, and arguments. But if we're going to have a serious discussion about them, it'll require moving beyond the "oh look, free stuff!" and "it's all just socialist commie BS anyway" level of argumentation, and digging into the mechanics of the ideas and proposals. I'll certainly welcome and enjoy those types of discussions.
 

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I also dropped my mic when I first saw that pretty graph...just look at the great use of contrasting blues, and nice choice of font also. I mean, who could argue with those numbers, right? Well, for starters, anyone serious about trying to understand the plans, proposals, and policies (and I realize that most people on this forum are not). Too bad it's not just laughable propaganda, but it's an outright lie. That's not, in any way, reflective of how Bernie's proposals actually work; and is in every way purposely misleading. I have to give them credit though; they are using simple psychological principles to persuade people, and seem to be doing it effectively...lmao. Vox is relying on the fact the most people won't put much thought into it (or any, for that matter). The graph incorrectly presents Bernie's proposed income tax brackets, and also fails to mention these are marginal tax rates, not actual. More problematic though, then it presents all the new monies needed as being funded by income and payroll taxes (which is totally misleading and mostly false, especially the bit about payroll taxes), and fails to mention the net income savings that will result. In short, Bernie's proposals specifically state they will be funded by x, y, and z sources...and the Vox graph says, "oh look! Bernie's proposals will be funded with a, b, and c sources that you will directly pay for" (i.e., blatant lies, given it's actually x, y, and z sources).

I don't agree with all of Bernie's proposals, ideas, and arguments. But if we're going to have a serious discussion about them, it'll require moving beyond the "oh look, free stuff!" and "it's all just socialist commie BS anyway" level of argumentation, and digging into the mechanics of the ideas and proposals. I'll certainly welcome and enjoy those types of discussions.


So your position is that the conservative bastion known as VOX has skewed information in this graph against Bernie? Me thinks you haven't a clue from what perspective VOX reports from. (Hint: It isn't right wing.)


Here is a link to a couple stories from either today or yesterday.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/16/11019986/ted-cruz-tax-policy-center

http://www.vox.com/a/police-shootings-calendar-2016


Some right wing propaganda eh?
 

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So your position is that the conservative bastion known as VOX has skewed information in this graph against Bernie? Me thinks you haven't a clue from what perspective VOX reports from. (Hint: It isn't right wing.)
Of course, this is all simply my ignorance of Vox. That explains their rhetoric and lies. You're making this too easy...lmfao.
 

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