Simple Question. Will you vote for Trump?

[SMS]

Specifically the family/medical leave and the expanded health care will cost me more money in income taxes and reduced wages.

The others will cost me indirectly through the passed down costs of goods and services.

Then add in the fact that revenue and cost projections are never right (they're always way too low), so they'll end up raising taxes yet again to pay for it all.

We don't need to spend and tax more. We need far less of both. Government spending doesn't create a healthy economy.

 

[Shadowrider]

Which specific plan do you have an issue with? Which plan will have the net effect of costing you money?

I'll take all of them for $1000 Alex.

https://www.facebook.com/578899028790511/videos/1273724352641305/

 

[YukonGlocker]

Specifically the family/medical leave and the expanded health care will cost me more money in income taxes and reduced wages.

The others will cost me indirectly through the passed down costs of goods and services.

yeah, I'm still ambivalent about the net effects of the family/medial leave program...for sure, the positive and negative long-term consequences are difficult to quantify...currently, i'm comfortable paying $1.61 a week for the benefit it will provide because i think the net effect will be positive for our society (in many ways).

the only way the health care plan will cost you more money is if (a) you currently pay virtually nothing for health care (i.e., including premiums, medications, deductibles, co-pays, etc.), and (b) you never need expensive health care (e.g., major surgery, cancer treatment, heart treatment, palliative care, etc.)...for the overwhelming majority of americans, that isn't the case. this plan also allows our medical system to transition from a treatment based system to a more preventative based system, which will in itself save (everyone) a lot of money

there isn't any evidence that the other programs will result in "passed down costs"...similarly to minimum wage increases, although this is an intuitive conclusion, in practice it doesn't happen (mostly because of the highly competitive free market we enjoy).

 

[YukonGlocker]

I'll take all of them for $1000 Alex.

https://www.facebook.com/578899028790511/videos/1273724352641305/

Milton Friedman's ideas were debunked years ago. Do we have to go through this one again?

 

[Shadowrider]

Milton Friedman's ideas were debunked years ago. Do we have to go through this one again?

Debunked? Seriously? They indoctrinated you quite well at UT didn't they?

I guess Margaret Thatcher didn't get the memo.

Do you honestly believe that Gates would have or even been able to build Microsoft if the .gov got the bulk of his revenue? Jobs and Apple? I honestly don't know what to say...

 

[YukonGlocker]

Debunked? Seriously? They indoctrinated you quite well at UT didn't they?

I guess Margaret Thatcher didn't get the memo.

Do you honestly believe that Gates would have or even been able to build Microsoft if the .gov got the bulk of his revenue? Jobs and Apple? I honestly don't know what to say...

lmao...sure, this about me now, and UT...next?

 

[Shadowrider]

lmao...sure, this about me now, and UT...next?

UT next? Sure. Now tell me what a bastion of conservatism it is. lol

 

[SMS]

Here's a good read on the flawed methodology used to calculate revenue and the effect of tax increases on actual revenue. Couple that with the historically grossly underestimated costs of government programs makes for a big mess when it comes to predicting the effect of all of Bernie's programs....

http://iret.org/pub/FI-10.PDF

In the end we will have programs that cost twice as much as predicted in campaign literature and not near enough revenue to pay for it all. Oh wait, kinda like we have right now! Only an insane person or an idiot would propose piling on more.

 

[bluedog46]

All the "free stuff" jokes are fun and all, but they don't address Bernie's plans or implications (good and bad) for our country. Which specific plan do you have an issue with?
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

I know its a game for all democrats with pandering and most republicans but I don't think we can afford or our nation will survive a mass amnesty as more and more will come

That's easy. He wants to raise taxes on everyone to give free sh$t to more people. He colors it up with propositions that tax the wealthy, but when you look closer it's not just the rich, it's everyone who pays taxes.

That's enough for me.

That is what I was thinking.

 

[farmerbyron]

See, it's only those greedy rich bastards that will pay. Oh wait....