Another Police Shooting, 3 Dead - Today, in Baton Rouge

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To clarify my position, no involved group is doing anything "wrong" or "right". Some individuals (from all involved groups) have made bad decisions, but those individual cases certainly don't describe the majority of any involved group. It's the systematic environmental issues that need the most attention (i.e., not the people). And, the media is doing their best to paint an exaggerated polarized picture by running individual cases non-stop.

"... no involved group is doing anything wrong"? "... not the people".

They are doing plenty wrong which is why there are issues. The issues continue because there are no consequences and no responsibility.
 
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We do need to support our police officers, they go to work every day and plan on returning to their families at the end of their tour-some don't. It is no wonder they approach a car with caution" they don't know who or what is in the car and if they'll be harmed in some way.
When I was a kid and was pulled over by a cop (we didn't call them cops it was derogatory in se days) I'd get out of my car and walk back to the patrol car and sit in the passengers seat (by invitation) but these days we're told to remain in our car-for their protection. I've never run into a bad cop, they've always been polite and executed their duties appropriately.
 
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We do need to support our police officers, they go to work every day and plan on returning to their families at the end of their tour-some don't. It is no wonder they approach a car with caution" they don't know who or what is in the car and if they'll be harmed in some way.
When I was a kid and was pulled over by a cop (we didn't call them cops it was derogatory in se days) I'd get out of my car and walk back to the patrol car and sit in the passengers seat (by invitation) but these days we're told to remain in our car-for their protection. I've never run into a bad cop, they've always been polite and executed their duties appropriately.
Yep. Keep your mouth shut, and your hands visible, and there won't be any issues what so ever.
 

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Who is "they"?

The same "they" as in the "involved group" that is manufacturing racial animus. The same "they" that are sympathetic to "frying cops like bacon" and chanting about killing cops ("now"). The same "they" as in the "involved group" that liberals make politically convenient excuses for to keep them on the Democratic plantation.
 

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The same "they" as in the "involved group" that is manufacturing racial animus. The same "they" that are sympathetic to "frying cops like bacon" and chanting about killing cops ("now"). The same "they" as in the "involved group" that liberals make politically convenient excuses for to keep them on the Democratic plantation.
I'm trying to understand your perspective. Are you saying that all racial animus is manufactured, or do you think there is any legitimate parts to it? And, are you saying "they"--as in, the police--aren't contributing to the current system?
 

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I'm trying to understand your perspective. Are you saying that all racial animus is manufactured, or do you think there is any legitimate parts to it? And, are you saying "they"--as in, the police--aren't contributing to the current system?

If a LEO kills someone … whether they are white, black or whatever … it is not due to racial animus or institutionalized racism. It is either due to the person needed to be killed or it was a grievous mistake (that will cost that LEO dearly).

Are you trying to say that the police are contributing the racial animus/hostility? If so, please unpack that.
 

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If a LEO kills someone … whether they are white, black or whatever … it is not due to racial animus or institutionalized racism. It is either due to the person needed to be killed or it was a grievous mistake (that will cost that LEO dearly).

Are you trying to say that the police are contributing the racial animus/hostility? If so, please unpack that.
It's not the people, it's the policies. And, our brilliant society has created a massive mess (e.g., socially, economically, politically, etc.) and then left that mess for the police to clean up, which is impossible. We have to zoom out past "right" and "wrong" and blaming individuals, and deal with the mess ourselves. We have a broken system, and we have to fix it (i.e., not the police).
 

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It's not the people, it's the policies. And, our brilliant society has created a massive mess (e.g., socially, economically, politically, etc.) and then left that mess for the police to clean up, which is impossible. We have to zoom out past "right" and "wrong" and blaming individuals, and deal with the mess ourselves. We have a broken system, and we have to fix it (i.e., not the police).

I think there are plenty of individuals to blame. Plenty of people out there are intentionally perpetuating the system in its current form - whether for political gain, monetary gain or simply personal greed or laziness.

I think if we could instill personal responsibility on a widespread basis, in the water, say, most of our societal problems would solve themselves quite rapidly. Being outwardly vocal about 'the system' while keeping your hand held out to collect entitlements isn't going to fix a damned thing.
 

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I think there are plenty of individuals to blame. Plenty of people out there are intentionally perpetuating the system in its current form - whether for political gain, monetary gain or simply personal greed or laziness.

I think if we could instill personal responsibility on a widespread basis, in the water, say, most of our societal problems would solve themselves quite rapidly. Being outwardly vocal about 'the system' while keeping your hand held out to collect entitlements isn't going to fix a damned thing.


Actually it is both.

As I understand YukonGlocker’s point of view (and please correct me if I am wrong), there have been decades of failed policies in place that have killed the inner city one bullet at a time.

That said there are a lot of knuckleheads that are doing wrong. The race-pimps at BLM are a good example of that.

Along with that you have politicians that are helping fuel the fires. An example of this is how Obama handled the issue with Gates and with Ferguson.

On the flip side, to blame LEOs for institutionalized "racism" as BLM and Obama have done is completely wrong.
 

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