Are we still the greatest nation?

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But after a little thinking, I might change my mind.
If you were to take an Indian, Zambian, Chilean, and Latvian and give them a choice of living in the USA or China, I'm pretty sure they'd all choose the USA.
So, on that basis I might be wrong.

However, I would say China is more powerful than the USA at this point.
 

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Our power and influence is greatly tied to the U.S. dollar being the reserve world currency, and particularly it's role as the "petro-dollar". Let the BRICS nations start trading oil in their own currency/currencies, and watch how quickly we sink. We are staying afloat by default, and the people don't know just how close we are to a catastrophic failure.

There's few nations outside of the U.S. that I'd want to live, but as far as being the "greatest"? The bar has been set pretty low these days. I'd say no modern country is great; some are better than others.
 

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Our power and influence is greatly tied to the U.S. dollar being the reserve world currency, and particularly it's role as the "petro-dollar". Let the BRICS nations start trading oil in their own currency/currencies, and watch how quickly we sink. We are staying afloat by default, and the people don't know just how close we are to a catastrophic failure.

There's few nations outside of the U.S. that I'd want to live, but as far as being the "greatest"? The bar has been set pretty low these days. I'd say no modern country is great; some are better than others.

This is sadly the case IMO. South Africa is considered to be the new "America" in the fact that a lot of new growth and development is going on over there. A lot of businesses are trying to get in on the ground floor and several south African countries have an extremely large number of immigrants (surpassing many former immigration champions).

Say what you want to about legal / illegal immigration, but the fact that people want in your borders speaks volumes (and when there's a new place that is nipping on the heals of the US, its something worth paying attention to).
 

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My understanding is that South Africa is struggling; it will never be anything close to the U.S. with the Zuma running the place. Most of what I read is that people are trying to leave - particulary whites - who are often the victims of rampant crime there. Zuma wants seizure of white-owned farmland, among other things.

I'll stay here.
 
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Our power and influence is greatly tied to the U.S. dollar being the reserve world currency, and particularly it's role as the "petro-dollar". Let the BRICS nations start trading oil in their own currency/currencies, and watch how quickly we sink. We are staying afloat by default, and the people don't know just how close we are to a catastrophic failure.

There's few nations outside of the U.S. that I'd want to live, but as far as being the "greatest"? The bar has been set pretty low these days. I'd say no modern country is great; some are better than others.

This. We're perilously close to losing that highly coveted crown. Not sure what's going to replace the dollar, but it will suck for us regardless of what it is. We have the most powerful (and expensive) war machine in the world. Sadly, rather than use it for defense, we routinely use it for expeditionary wars that further erode our credibility on the world stage. U.S. Health Care is exorbitantly over-valued and we're pricing ourselves right out of it. We refuse to train enough doctors and over the top malpractice insurance has put many more out of business. Incareration of non-violent citizens is the highest in the free world. We continue to fuel the drug wars with no end in sight. Education? Half of those graduating high school can't make change or balance a checkbook. They go on to the diploma mills to get a worthless degree that won't get them a job, but plenty of non-dischargeable debt. They can recite dozens of useless facts that have no bearing on their survival in the world though! We don't have a cohesive energy policy and we have NO plan for reducing our enormous debt. We continue to erode our own freedoms daily in exchange for a false sense of security.

Is there a greater nation that the U.S.? I don't really know. Is the U.S. as great as it was 10, 20, 30 years ago? Not even close. This isn't the U.S. I grew up in. As for my future, I don't see myself being able to afford retirement in my own country. Cuenca, Ecuador and Panama are looking better and better as I get closer to retirement. :(
 

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