Changed my mind on SQ 755

[dieseltech09]

1.) Sharia law could never be used in the US anyways so this law effectively accomplishes nothing.

It happened in New Jersey. Yes it was overturned but it still was used by a family court judge. so you are wrong in saying it will never be used

 

[EFsDad]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I am voting for it!
It's established
They can exercise it
They can talk about anything they want
The 4th rail can report on it
They can protest about it
And write petitions.

JB thanks for making my day!

 

[TerryMiller]

First of all lets get something clear: NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR SHARIA LAW!!!! Some of you guys keep talking about liberals yada yada yada. Everyone agrees that Sharia is a barbaric law and should not be allowed in our country. I'm pretty sure even the most hardcore liberals don't want sharia law in the country. What I understand from previous discussions is this:

1.) This law would accomplish absolutely nothing and is purely symbolic. Sharia law could never be used in the US anyways so this law effectively accomplishes nothing.

2.) This law could possibly hurt Oklahoma by detering businesses that operate internationally from residing in Oklahoma.

This law does nothing good, is potentially harmful to Oklahoma and is clearly written as a piece of legislation to lure conservative voters to the ballot box. I'm all for making sure sharia law stays out of Oklahoma but not at the expense of possible job opportunities for Oklahomans. If the law was worded differently so that it couldn't hurt international businesses then I don't think anyone would be against this law. You guys should stop letting your hatred of islam cloud your judgement.

More on the New Jersey case. As stated, a trial judge did "recognize" Sharia law and the New Jersey appellate court did overthrow it. Since we have the example that one judge "recognized" validity in Sharia, what would happen if we happened to get 5 judges, who just happened to be on the Supreme Court, and were "convinced" of that validity, and then "ruled" that Sharia was valid? Would we not then have a ruling that made Sharia the law of the land just as abortion is?

If one would like a little more perspective on the New Jersey case, here is something to read. Hope you don't mind legalese.

http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/courts/appellate/a6107-08.opn.html

 

[Glocktogo]

This law could possibly hurt Oklahoma by detering businesses that operate internationally from residing in Oklahoma.

This law does nothing good, is potentially harmful to Oklahoma and is clearly written as a piece of legislation to lure conservative voters to the ballot box. I'm all for making sure sharia law stays out of Oklahoma but not at the expense of possible job opportunities for Oklahomans. If the law was worded differently so that it couldn't hurt international businesses then I don't think anyone would be against this law. You guys should stop letting your hatred of islam cloud your judgement.

First of all, can we quantify the damage this "might" do to Oklahoma business opportunities? Seems to me our deplorable infrastucture, divisive squabblefest politics, overpriced yet underperforming school system, high taxes for limited services, poor health, high insurance costs and limited pool of qualified employment applicants might be slightly more damaging to Oklahoma's international business draw than an obscure anti-Islamic law might be. JMO, YMMV

 

[BadgeBunny]

First of all lets get something clear: NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR SHARIA LAW!!!! Some of you guys keep talking about liberals yada yada yada. Everyone agrees that Sharia is a barbaric law and should not be allowed in our country. I'm pretty sure even the most hardcore liberals don't want sharia law in the country. What I understand from previous discussions is this:

1.) This law would accomplish absolutely nothing and is purely symbolic. Sharia law could never be used in the US anyways so this law effectively accomplishes nothing.

2.) This law could possibly hurt Oklahoma by detering businesses that operate internationally from residing in Oklahoma.

This law does nothing good, is potentially harmful to Oklahoma and is clearly written as a piece of legislation to lure conservative voters to the ballot box. I'm all for making sure sharia law stays out of Oklahoma but not at the expense of possible job opportunities for Oklahomans. If the law was worded differently so that it couldn't hurt international businesses then I don't think anyone would be against this law. You guys should stop letting your hatred of islam cloud your judgement.

This distinction is always made by people who know nothing about how Sharia law and Muslim doctrine apply to the lives of the follower. The gentleman (and I use that term very loosely here) I know considers himself a devout Muslim ... he is now in his 50s, college educated, has been in business here in Oklahoma for most of his life now and has a distain for this country and its freedoms that would astonish most of his non-Muslim friends and business associates.

I promise you if he and his buddies could turn Oklahoma into Pakistan overnight they would be overjoyed. Because it is their belief that if you are not a Muslim you don't deserve to breathe the same air you do and if you are a woman, well then, you are even less in their eyes than a non-believing man.

I am not speaking about extremists as most Americans like to try to distinguish from other, more main-stream appearing Muslims. Just because they can hide their distain for us a little better than their jihad-waging brothers does not mean they are any more moderate in their beliefs.

I was a member of the Muslim community (way before 9/11) for a couple of years and this philosophy was in place even then. In my opinion, it would be naive to think that they are all somehow kinder and gentler now. However, as with all things in life, YMMV.

BTW, I don't hate Muslims. I just don't want to be subjected to their laws.

 

[338Shooter]

First of all, can we quantify the damage this "might" do to Oklahoma business opportunities? Seems to me our deplorable infrastucture, divisive squabblefest politics, overpriced yet underperforming school system, high taxes for limited services, poor health, high insurance costs and limited pool of qualified employment applicants might be slightly more damaging to Oklahoma's international business draw than an obscure anti-Islamic law might be. JMO, YMMV

LOL, great response Jerry.

 

[Barnney Fife]

way to go Badge Bunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rajder]

It happened in New Jersey. Yes it was overturned but it still was used by a family court judge. so you are wrong in saying it will never be used

It was used by one wacko judge and pretty much instantly overruled. I think you just made my point that Sharia law isn't allowed to be used in the US. It think this example shows that even if a wacko judge tried to use Sharia law in the US that it would be instantly overruled, as it was. If anything, I think that case has established a precident that sharia law could not be used in US courts. If there starts to be cases popping up where the use of sharia is recognized by the courts then I will start freaking out with the rest of you guys. But if we ever get to that point I think we will have much bigger problems on our hands.

First of all, can we quantify the damage this "might" do to Oklahoma business opportunities? Seems to me our deplorable infrastucture, divisive squabblefest politics, overpriced yet underperforming school system, high taxes for limited services, poor health, high insurance costs and limited pool of qualified employment applicants might be slightly more damaging to Oklahoma's international business draw than an obscure anti-Islamic law might be. JMO, YMMV

I pretty much agree with everything you said there. But you can't quantify the damage that a law like this might do to international business because we don't know what the future holds. But if the law in any way played a part of keeping even just one international company from doing business in Oklahoma then I don't think it would be worth it. The truth is when this law passes (and it will pass) we would never know if it ever had any effect on business. It would never be a public conversation. So we will never know if it really has any effect on international business in Oklahoma.

Again, I have to make this clear: NO ONE IS ADVOCATING FOR SHARIA LAW OR EVEN DEFENDING ISLAM / MUSLIMS!! I dont' want sharia here just as much as the next person. I just think the chances of this law possibly hurting international business in Oklahoma (as small as those chances may be), or hurting Okies who were wed in exotic locations, are greater than it ever affecting anything involving sharia law in Oklahoma. The best case scenario when this law passes will be that it will be just another obscure law on our books that will never be referenced, and who really wants that? If the law was written differently I would have no problem with it.

Veggie did a better job explaining this subject in his previous posts than I can.

 

[JB Books]

First of all, can we quantify the damage this "might" do to Oklahoma business opportunities? Seems to me our deplorable infrastucture, divisive squabblefest politics, overpriced yet underperforming school system, high taxes for limited services, poor health, high insurance costs and limited pool of qualified employment applicants might be slightly more damaging to Oklahoma's international business draw than an obscure anti-Islamic law might be. JMO, YMMV

Very very true. Still, it is a stupid law that makes us look like backwoods hicks.

 

[Glocktogo]

Very very true. Still, it is a stupid law that makes us look like backwoods hicks.

True, but how do you single this one out over the avalanche of other silly, stupid laws and policies in Oklahoma that make us look like backwoods hicks?