Changed my mind on SQ 755

[BadgeBunny]

I have some questions for all you guys who are worried about how we are gonna appear and how this is gonna affect international trade here:

1. How many of you have actually studied the Koran and Sharia law?
2. How many of you have gone to mosque and actually participated?
3. How many of you have actually spoken with, discussed and/or debated Islam doctrine with someone who is a devout Muslim?
4. How many of you have ever donned a burqua?? (OK, I will admit I haven't either but I was offered one to wear the same day he proposed to me.)

I have probably forgotten more about the Koran than most of you know, but I do remember these three things from my life with that Pakinstani student over here to get his Master's Degree ...

1. He wanted to take me and my son to Pakistan so he could and I quote "raise my son in the manner in which a man should be raised" ...

2. He had never heard his mother speak unless she was spoken to first, except to female servants of the household. She was not allowed to speak to the male servants (or anyone else) unless they spoke to her first. She never spoke to him without him speaking first to her after he reached 10 years of age. She, and again I quote, "Was a good Muslim woman who knew her place."

3. He only raised his hand to me once.

I want you to remember that this man considers himself a MODERATE Muslim. While he would never wage jihad himself, he DOES NOT believe that violence to accomplish the goal (conversion of everyone or death to those who do not believe) is wrong.

I have absolutely no problem with others practicing their religion. I expect the same courtesy from them and do not wish to be subject to their customs and beliefs any more than they want to be subject to mine. The difference is I am not in their country ... they are in mine.

 

[LtCCMPUnit42]

All of you guys and gals may tell me to mind my own buisiness, but I feel that I need to point out the fact that whether we like it or not, our entire system of laws and government are based on Christian morals and values. Beginning with the Ten Commandments. Every form of law has to have some basis of morals at their foundation. Ours happens to be Christian. Without those morals, the law has no foundation. You can't introduce another set of morals and values into our system (Islam) without causing great problems.
It's like breeding cattle to horses, it just won't work.
I'm not trying to preach, or be a Bible thumper, but we have to remember that the men that started this country had those morals and values in mind when they wrote the Constitution. Just like the Muslims did when they wrote thier laws in Packistan, Iraq, and all those other countries that have been trying to blow the hell out of us for years.
It would be foolish to introduce the very morals and values to our country that are trying to destroy it.

 

[cktad]

All of you guys and gals may tell me to mind my own buisiness, but I feel that I need to point out the fact that whether we like it or not, our entire system of laws and government are based on Christian morals and values. Beginning with the Ten Commandments. Every form of law has to have some basis of morals at their foundation. Ours happens to be Christian. Without those morals, the law has no foundation. You can't introduce another set of morals and values into our system (Islam) without causing great problems.
It's like breeding cattle to horses, it just won't work.
I'm not trying to preach, or be a Bible thumper, but we have to remember that the men that started this country had those morals and values in mind when they wrote the Constitution. Just like the Muslims did when they wrote thier laws in Packistan, Iraq, and all those other countries that have been trying to blow the hell out of us for years.
It would be foolish to introduce the very morals and values to our country that are trying to destroy it.

Didn't the Jews give us the 10 Commandments, so it's really Judeo–Christian.

 

[patrickcudd]

I saw the quick response of separation of church and state...

Where EXACTLY is it stated that there is a separatation of church and state?

I know the 1A states that the .gov shall not establish a religion like King George did, but where does it state that the .gov cannot have any mention of God?

 

[poopgiggle]

I saw the quick response of separation of church and state...

Where EXACTLY is it stated that there is a separatation of church and state?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause

I know the 1A states that the .gov shall not establish a religion like King George did, but where does it state that the .gov cannot have any mention of God?

That's not the issue here.

 

[patrickcudd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_clause



That's not the issue here.

Please read your link....... I have read this OPINION by Jefferson a few times. It is not what the Constitution says, but simply an opinion by one man!

 

[inactive]

I think the law is redundant, as in we have other judicial and legislative processes that would provide oversight of this, without need for the SQ being passed.

 

[dieseltech09]

What does the 1st Admendment have do with anything with this law. The law wouldnt ban the practice of Islam in the US so the establishment clause doesnt come into play either. It simply says that our laws trump all others when you are on your soil.

 

[Dale00]

In no way, shape or form should Sharia law be given standing or recognized in the United States of America. Listen to what BadgeBunny has posted. Look at what is happening in Europe. Can you say, "Nightmare?"

I have some experience in countries where there are sizable Muslim populations and there is constant friction and strife.

As I've posted before, I respect and get along well with Muslim coworkers as individuals but Islam is antithetical to our cultural values. Special note to liberals - Islam is intolerant of different beliefs, including yours. The possible international business law and "image" problems seem minor to me in comparison to the larger picture.

 

[finnimus]

If one would like a little more perspective on the New Jersey case, here is something to read. Hope you don't mind legalese.

http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/courts/appellate/a6107-08.opn.html

Thanks for posting the link. I've been trying to find information on this case and hadn't found anything significant before this. It's an interesting read, I think most will be surprised by what they learn and how this is different from the way it has been portrayed.