especially when they came out, they were the best value in surplus hand guns. Still cdisales (cole distributing) on gunbroker has some nice specimens for 179-229 range. They have the 83 which is the .380 version. Anyhoo, in that range it only makes sense to have a double stack shooter in .380. Well built cz quality, makes a nice ccw, on the heavier side compared to an lcp or kt, but also a 13rd capacity. just my .02.